umm "woman uses baby as club"?

Sean The Owner · Post by **Sean The Owner** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:45 pm

ok honestly, i saw some article in the newspaper, the title sure made me laugh, but as i read it i was like what kind of sick and twisted woman could do this? ok for those who havent seen it, pretty much her and her boyfriend got into an arguement, they both got mad obviously, and she throws her ! MONTH OLD BABY AT HIM!!!!!! the baby has a fractured skull and internal bleeding in his brain...why not throw a plate? a toaster(possibly the jesus one

) or just kick him in the nuts? no...throw your baby at him instead...honestly what drives someone to do that? thats not just instinct either because woman also have the child protection instinct but ya, i dont know any more about it, maybe someone else here does? anyone have any comments?

and if theres already a thread like this made, sorry but i didnt see it so just delete this thread or something...

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:53 pm

I've heard of anger making people do or say stupid things, but never anything like this.

Sean The Owner · Post by **Sean The Owner** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:58 pm

i know...its impossible to think about what was going through their head before, during, and after this happened...i dont think it said there was any background of psychoticness in her, it said she had 4 kids already tho, and shes in jail with $75,000 bail...im pretty young so i must ask, does that mean if someone pays $75,000 they just let her out of jail to go throw around another baby? or are there rules limiting her to only seeing her kids, not touching them? or does the money just shorten the amount of time spent in jail?

Magrus · Post by **Magrus** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:34 pm

I believe the bail thing, and I could be wrong, is to get you out of jail only so you avoid being held until you are convicted. So, lets say you are accused of doing such a crime, with witnesses and all, and the court date is set for 5 months from today. They will place you in a cell to prevent you from running away, or creating more problems. If you pay the bail, you are set free, but still have to remain in the area to show up to your court dates when they arrive to deal with proving your guilt/innocence and the punishment if you are guilty.

As far as the issue at hand, I am really not surprised. I have seen people do some really crazy, stupid and screwed up things in my life. Not everyone has the same instincts either. I lack the survival instinct most everyone and everything else has. If you attack me, I will put you in a new world of hurt, but everyone that knows me well says I have a death wish. I simply lack that instinct that says "Don't do this, you might die" that everyone else seems to have.

Just because a man or woman has children doesn't mean she will love, care for, or have the urge to protect them at all. Humans are biologically driven to have children. This is to propogate the species so it survives. Nature works in odd ways to keep a balance of things. A lot of people seem to have the idea that they have to have children, because it's how things have always been. You pair off with someone, get married, have kids, then die. Well, with the insane amount of overpopulation of humans, I am fully expecting more strange things to be occuring with biological and other things to counteract this.

Not to say some crazy lady using her infant as a weapon is one of these things, but still. It seems to fit a pattern of what I have been seeing around me lately. A lot of parents just seem to be treating their kids as unwanted burdens around me. Perhaps it's natures way of counteracting the over population by removing that instinct randomly? *shrugs* People haven't seemed to get the hint with all of the sexually transmitted diseases and such. Maybe half the people on earth will start acting all sorts of crazy over the next 500 years or so? Who knows.

Sean The Owner · Post by **Sean The Owner** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:33 am

Magrus wrote:I believe the bail thing, and I could be wrong, is to get you out of jail only so you avoid being held until you are convicted. So, lets say you are accused of doing such a crime, with witnesses and all, and the court date is set for 5 months from today. They will place you in a cell to prevent you from running away, or creating more problems. If you pay the bail, you are set free, but still have to remain in the area to show up to your court dates when they arrive to deal with proving your guilt/innocence and the punishment if you are guilty.

ohh, that would make more sense, thanks

Magrus wrote:As far as the issue at hand, I am really not surprised. I have seen people do some really crazy, stupid and screwed up things in my life. Not everyone has the same instincts either. I lack the survival instinct most everyone and everything else has. If you attack me, I will put you in a new world of hurt, but everyone that knows me well says I have a death wish. I simply lack that instinct that says "Don't do this, you might die" that everyone else seems to have.

i do see your point, but isnt there a limit?

Magrus wrote:Just because a man or woman has children doesn't mean she will love, care for, or have the urge to protect them at all. Humans are biologically driven to have children. This is to propogate the species so it survives. Nature works in odd ways to keep a balance of things. A lot of people seem to have the idea that they have to have children, because it's how things have always been. You pair off with someone, get married, have kids, then die. Well, with the insane amount of overpopulation of humans, I am fully expecting more strange things to be occuring with biological and other things to counteract this.

if she didnt love her kids she should either put them in foster care, or had an abortion when she still could and if not, then she should learn to love them.

Magrus wrote:Not to say some crazy lady using her infant as a weapon is one of these things, but still. It seems to fit a pattern of what I have been seeing around me lately. A lot of parents just seem to be treating their kids as unwanted burdens around me. Perhaps it's natures way of counteracting the over population by removing that instinct randomly? *shrugs* People haven't seemed to get the hint with all of the sexually transmitted diseases and such. Maybe half the people on earth will start acting all sorts of crazy over the next 500 years or so? Who knows.

you know, i wouldnt be surprised about that either you bring up a good thought(directed for the bolded part)

edit: also i wont be on til monday or something to look over this, im going to my friends farm in about 25minz

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:24 pm

It will sound callous of me...

If an animal kills/maims it's own young, it destroys its own genetic line. A good thing; because an animal that harms it's young is actually eliminating it's own line - a line that has an unnatural aggression to it's own young. This ensures that only animals prepared to care for their young pass along their genes to future generations.

This woman and her partner are destroying their own gene pool in the same way. Do we really want such people to pass on their genes?

Yes, I have compassion for the poor infant - but I can't help feeling that it may grow up to be just as destructive as it's parents.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:34 pm

Magrus wrote: .
Just because a man or woman has children doesn't mean she will love, care for, or have the urge to protect them at all. Humans are biologically driven to have children. This is to propogate the species so it survives. Nature works in odd ways to keep a balance of things. A lot of people seem to have the idea that they have to have children, because it's how things have always been. You pair off with someone, get married, have kids, then die. Well, with the insane amount of overpopulation of humans, I am fully expecting more strange things to be occuring with biological and other things to counteract this.

Not to say some crazy lady using her infant as a weapon is one of these things, but still. It seems to fit a pattern of what I have been seeing around me lately. A lot of parents just seem to be treating their kids as unwanted burdens around me. Perhaps it's natures way of counteracting the over population by removing that instinct randomly? *shrugs* People haven't seemed to get the hint with all of the sexually transmitted diseases and such. Maybe half the people on earth will start acting all sorts of crazy over the next 500 years or so? Who knows.

Yes, we are becoming more selfish. Yes, we neglect our children. Yes, people see children as a burden, as irksome, as something to shove off onto someone else. People SAY they love their children: but not enough, so far as I can see, to give them the time and attention they need.
Children need to be loved; to be hugged; to have conversation with their parents; to do things with their parents - be it going places, playing games, reading together, doing tasks around the house and garden together - and to feel WANTED by their parents.
Most kids in the Western world today don't get much of any of that. We adults are too busy doing more 'important' stuff.

LordAce · Post by **LordAce** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:39 pm

It's crazy that anyone could bring themselves to do such a thing! People do odd things when they're upset, but how extreme!

Sean The Owner · Post by **Sean The Owner** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:51 am

Fljotsdale wrote:It will sound callous of me...

If an animal kills/maims it's own young, it destroys its own genetic line. A good thing; because an animal that harms it's young is actually eliminating it's own line - a line that has an unnatural aggression to it's own young. This ensures that only animals prepared to care for their young pass along their genes to future generations.

This woman and her partner are destroying their own gene pool in the same way. Do we really want such people to pass on their genes?

Yes, I have compassion for the poor infant - but I can't help feeling that it may grow up to be just as destructive as it's parents.

you got a point, and well, now that baby wont grow up being destructive, assuming it lives, because as young as it is im sure its done damage beyond full repair, it could even end up being retarded(seriously retarded, im not just saying stupid) the brains a dangerous place to mess with...

@Fljotsdale-response to magrus
no kidding, i mean only my mom tells me she loves me...like once a month, and my step dad completely ignores me and does nothing at all thats important, although my mom does work 8-5 mon-fri that doesnt stop her from atleast trying...althought i am the "least important" in their mind, the other 3 dont get much better treatment, but my step dad actually talks to them

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:12 pm

Sean The Owner wrote:
@Fljotsdale-response to magrus
no kidding, i mean only my mom tells me she loves me...like once a month, and my step dad completely ignores me and does nothing at all thats important, although my mom does work 8-5 mon-fri that doesnt stop her from atleast trying...althought i am the "least important" in their mind, the other 3 dont get much better treatment, but my step dad actually talks to them

That is very difficult for you; but at least you know your mom loves you and does the best she can.

It is hard not to blame our parents for neglecting us; but mostly they don't actually mean to neglect us. They do love us... but modern society, modern life, makes it hard for them to share time with their children. Often both parents go to work all day, the kids come home to an empty house and have to look after themselves or hang out with their mates. When parents get home they are tired and just want to relax in peace and quiet, not spend time with their children, because they enough stress at work and they worry about money all the time.
But really... it doesn't take much just to give a child a hug and ask about what sort of day they had... even if they do nothing else, at least the child would feel a bit cared for.
Step parents can find it hard to understand a child who not their own. And that is difficult for everyone concerned.
Have a hug from me, instead, Sean. (((HUG)))

LordAce · Post by **LordAce** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:05 pm

Fljotsdale wrote:It will sound callous of me...

If an animal kills/maims it's own young, it destroys its own genetic line. A good thing; because an animal that harms it's young is actually eliminating it's own line - a line that has an unnatural aggression to it's own young. This ensures that only animals prepared to care for their young pass along their genes to future generations.

This woman and her partner are destroying their own gene pool in the same way. Do we really want such people to pass on their genes?

Yes, I have compassion for the poor infant - but I can't help feeling that it may grow up to be just as destructive as it's parents.

Interesting point. Darwinism in effect?

Sean The Owner · Post by **Sean The Owner** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:08 pm

Fljotsdale wrote:That is very difficult for you; but at least you know your mom loves you and does the best she can.

true, i never doubted that she loved me...

Fljotsdale wrote:It is hard not to blame our parents for neglecting us; but mostly they don't actually mean to neglect us. They do love us... but modern society, modern life, makes it hard for them to share time with their children. Often both parents go to work all day, the kids come home to an empty house and have to look after themselves or hang out with their mates. When parents get home they are tired and just want to relax in peace and quiet, not spend time with their children, because they enough stress at work and they worry about money all the time.

ya, it starts to get really annoying...

Fljotsdale wrote:But really... it doesn't take much just to give a child a hug and ask about what sort of day they had... even if they do nothing else, at least the child would feel a bit cared for.

it definetly doesnt take much effort...but they make it out to be like a massive chore...

Fljotsdale wrote:Step parents can find it hard to understand a child who not their own. And that is difficult for everyone concerned.

he has liked me the least from the first day we met, im not sure why, i dont really remember it too well...but ya, he always bought the other 3 more stuff and talks to them more often

Fljotsdale wrote:Have a hug from me, instead, Sean. (((HUG)))

thanks!!

LordAce · Post by **LordAce** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:19 am

Group Hug!!!!

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:47 am

Sean The Owner wrote: he has liked me the least from the first day we met, im not sure why, i dont really remember it too well...but ya, he always bought the other 3 more stuff and talks to them more often

Are you the oldest? If so, he may see you as harder to get close to, and possibly a bit of a threat to his relationship with your mom.

Sean The Owner wrote:thanks!!

You are welcome!

Sean The Owner · Post by **Sean The Owner** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:33 pm

Fljotsdale wrote:Are you the oldest? If so, he may see you as harder to get close to, and possibly a bit of a threat to his relationship with your mom.

no, im the 3rd of four kids

Denethorn · Post by **Denethorn** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:09 pm

LordAce wrote:It's crazy that anyone could bring themselves to do such a thing! People do odd things when they're upset, but how extreme!

Must have truly been seeing red. She is need of very serious psycho-analysis.

Sean The Owner · Post by **Sean The Owner** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:14 pm

no kidding, they better send her away to a mental hospital to get that checked out...

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:08 pm

Sean The Owner wrote:no, im the 3rd of four kids

Meh. I'm out of excuses for him then!

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:13 pm

LordAce wrote:Interesting point. Darwinism in effect?

Er... Darwin didn't get it all right, you know!

But yes, evolution in action. It ain't nice, but it works.

Humanity tends to bugger-up the works a bit, but nature will out, in the end.

Magrus · Post by **Magrus** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:44 pm

Sean The Owner wrote:no kidding, they better send her away to a mental hospital to get that checked out...

Mental hospitals aren't made to help people. They are corporate drug hustlers in a lock-down facility. Ala a legalized forced drugging bin. Something along the lines to you getting tied down in the street and shot up with heroin in the hopes you get hooked for life and keep buying drugs.