Vandal Dialogue (spoilers)

Lady_Lithium · Post by **Lady_Lithium** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:22 am

I've started a new game and I wanted to play it differently than before, so I chose a combat-oriented, low humanity character. After freeing Lily, Vandal asked me to tell him a violent story, and for the first time there were dialogue options other than "I'm not a killer." I've tried several combinations, but he always tells me I'm too soft, and I either have to pay for the blood or do the "Replanting a lily" quest. Does anyone known if there is a correct combination for this dialogue, or am I just wasting my time trying them?

Anaximander · Post by **Anaximander** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:18 pm

For the best reaction from Vandal, you need your humanity to be less than 5. Start by telling him the story about the lady cop who pulled you over. Tell him she pulled a gun you. Finish the story with "Let's just say they fell on a sharp object 26 times."

Second best requires humanity to be less than 8. Tell him the one about the time you were robbing a liquor store. Take the second or third option after that - Either tell him the clerk pulled a gun, or tell him the clerk starting shouting and threatening. End this story the same way as the previous example, or tell him you broke their nose.

If your humanity is higher 8 or higher, you don't get the option of telling Vandal any violent stories.

I can post the specific dialogue options and Vandal's reactions if you'd like.

Jhereg · Post by **Jhereg** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:01 pm

Anaximander wrote:For the best reaction from Vandal, you need your humanity to be less than 5. Start by telling him the story about the lady cop who pulled you over. Tell him she pulled a gun you. Finish the story with "Let's just say they fell on a sharp object 26 times."

Second best requires humanity to be less than 8. Tell him the one about the time you were robbing a liquor store. Take the second or third option after that - Either tell him the clerk pulled a gun, or tell him the clerk starting shouting and threatening. End this story the same way as the previous example, or tell him you broke their nose.

If your humanity is higher 8 or higher, you don't get the option of telling Vandal any violent stories.

I can post the specific dialogue options and Vandal's reactions if you'd like.

Jeez. I am so young. I never even knew such options existed. After all this time...color me dumb.

shana · Post by **shana** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:07 pm

Anaximander, please post them...my humanity is always painfully high!!

Anaximander · Post by **Anaximander** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:02 am

Alright, here we go. After releasing Lilly you walk out of the room she was imprisoned in and are confronted by Vandal. The following has been censored to eliminate profanity in the actual game dialogues. Not that I care about profanity, but I'm pretty sure the rules of this forum prohibit it. Feat and other requirements will be in parentheses after PC dialogue options. Dialogue options not related to this line of conversation will not be shown here. It appears that Malkavians are not given the option of telling Vandal a violent story.

Vandal: Why'd you have to go and let that b out? There's one less Phil in the world now. Why'd you have to let her go and eat him, huh? Now I'll never get to do in that bastard myself. Well, you know what - no blood for you, no more!

PC:You're lucky. If I hadn't freed her, her friends were going to shoot up the place. (Persuaion 3 and not Malkavian)

Vandal:That's interesting. A missed opportunity. Guns make people cocky. They never appreciate what a skilled hand married to a knife can do. All you have to do is get close enough to cut off the trigger finger. Or their face.
Vandal:You like to talk, don't you? I wanna hear a story. Tell me, what's the best way you've violenced up someone? I wanna hear every grisly detail. If I like your story, I'll sell you some blood.

PC:One time I was jumped in an alley by this big dude... (Humanity < 8)
PC:I was at a movie theater and this guy wouldn't shut up... (Humanity < 8)
PC:I was robbing this old liquor store clerk one time... (Humanity < 8)
PC:This lady cop pulled me over one time, to give me a speeding ticket.. (Humanity < 5)
PC:I'm no killer. (Humanity at least 5)

All but the last option jumps the dialogue to here:

Vandal:Yes?

PC:Started giving me crap, you know, really pissing me off. (Humanity < 8)
PC:Pulls a gun on me. Made me lose control... made me crazy. You know? (Humanity < 5)
PC:Shouts at me, threatens me - saying they're going to kill me. (Humanity < 8)
PC:Kept staring at me, giving me the stink eye. (Humanity < 8)

Each of these options takes you here:

Vandal:Keep going.

PC:Let's just say they fell onto a sharp object twenty-six times
PC:You should have seen their face when I broke their nose. Pop!
PC:So I took out my gun and made them do a crazy dance. Laughed my ass off.
PC:Good thing I had my nunchuks with me. I went all Bruce Lee on 'em.

Vandal:Wow...

At this point, it jumps to one of three possible outcomes.
1) If you chose only the options that require your humanity to be less than 5, Vandal will be very pleased with your story.

Vandal:That's some vile, depraved, maniacal stuff. You are SICK mother. Yeah, I'll sell you your fix

2) If you chose a combination of the Humanity < 5 and Humanity < 8 options, Vandal will be mildly amused.

Vandal:You're okay with me. Need a fix?

3) If you chose all the Humanity < 8 options, then finished your story with the crazy dance or nunchuks line, Vandal won't be satisfied.

Vandal:You call that grisly? I want hard-core, unrated, unfiltered, congressional-hearing-style debasement. You don't deserve blood. Go get it yourself.

Obviously, the first two outcomes result in you either buying blood or telling him you'll come back later.

The game also keep track of how many times you buy blood from Vandal (up to 10). After your 3rd, 6th, and 9th purchases from him you get new dialogues. After your 10th, he just says "Ah, the blood god returns."

Lady_Lithium · Post by **Lady_Lithium** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:29 am

Thank you, Anaximander. I'm looking forward to the darker side of the beast.

pennypincher · Post by **pennypincher** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:24 am

Wait till the Torries hear that you guys have been taking that kind of back talk from a Malkavian Blood Bank Ghoul...

Suffice to say there are some intimidation conversation options that put the little pecker more correctly in his place on the food chain.

Jhereg · Post by **Jhereg** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:45 pm

pennypincher wrote:Wait till the Torries hear that you guys have been taking that kind of back talk from a Malkavian Blood Bank Ghoul...

Suffice to say there are some intimidation conversation options that put the little pecker more correctly in his place on the food chain.

I don't think he's a Malk ghoul. A while back I read something in the archives, talking about clans from the PnP game. Apparrently Vandal belongs to a line of vampires whose peculiarity is a kind of 'pimping for vampires'. Things like selling blood for profit. I can't recall off the top of my head what the name of the bloodline is.

It's like Pisha - from the bottom of the hospital. She apparrently belongs to a cursed bloodline who must not only drink blood but eat flesh. I don't remember the name of that bunch, either. It's all in the archives - somewhere.

Anaximander · Post by **Anaximander** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:24 pm

I'm pretty sure he's Therese's ghoul. Free Lilly, then ask him how you can make up for doing so. He'll tell you to bring him someone else, and suggests the Asylum as a place to look:

Vandal:The one who owns me, and this place, runs The Asylum. Lots of young, stupid blood there. Not like the putrid, stinking vagrant blood we so often get. Don't shed any at the club though, nononono... the missus, she don't appreciate it.

ellipsis jones · Post by **ellipsis jones** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:52 am

Also, you can intimidate him into giving you continued service by saying something like "Gotta get blood somewhere. Maybe I'll try ghoul blood." So your character seems to think he's a ghoul, at least.

Thanks for posting the dialogue, by the way. I'd never seen it before and probably never would have otherwise.

pennypincher · Post by **pennypincher** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:36 am

Jhereg wrote:I don't think he's a Malk ghoul. A while back I read something in the archives, talking about clans from the PnP game. Apparrently Vandal belongs to a line of vampires whose peculiarity is a kind of 'pimping for vampires'. Things like selling blood for profit. I can't recall off the top of my head what the name of the bloodline is.

It's like Pisha - from the bottom of the hospital. She apparrently belongs to a cursed bloodline who must not only drink blood but eat flesh. I don't remember the name of that bunch, either. It's all in the archives - somewhere.

There isn't a clan of vampires that "Pimp" for vampires. There's the Assamites, who are assasins that are hired to kill vampires and often take joy in using the Anathama as their killing stroke, and there's the Settites, who if you paied them enough would embrace a new childe for you for the express purpose of letting you feed from it... But not a clan devoted to it, no.

He's the Malakvian Barons ghoul, if you question him in the right way, he'll spill the crazy beans.

Pisha is a Nagajrajia (Sp? Anyone??). All bloodlines are cursed, this ones clan flaw is they have to eat a pound of human flesh each night in addition to blood else their own flesh starts to rot and fall away. They are necromancers, in theory, that predate most other clans with necromancy, but part way through their creation White Wolf realised how very VERY shockingly lame these 10,000 "Bonus" clans were that you could unlock by paying $19.95 to get the book, and used the KotE to kill the Nagarjaia(with some extra G's J's I's and A's) off. Good riddence to bad rubbish!