Worth £50?

[dragon wench]

I have not personally played Oblivion but.. many people whose views I respect have discussed the game with me in detail, and I have read many reviews.

[url="http://users.adelphia.net/~amito/Oblivion/OB.htm#Character"]This first impressions page[/url] is written by a PC gamer, but it conveys quite well much of what I've heard. It also echoes Fable's review; they are both worth reading.

This quote from the page I noted appears to sum it up fairly well. Again, I haven't personally played the game (I likely will dabble with it once I have a new computer), but so much of what I've heard is preparing me to expect something very different from Morrowind.

[QUOTE=Arwen's Oblivion Journal]

I guess the main thing was that I felt Oblivion should be at least as good as Morrowind.

And it wasn't.

In fact, it wasn't anywhere near as good as Morrowind - and that just seemed totally wrong to me.

I couldn't understand why Bethesda didn't just build on what they had done in Morrowind.

But, instead of taking what worked in Morrowind and fixing the few problems that didn't work so well,

they pretty much started over completely - and they put most of their efforts on graphics and on havoc physics.

What we ended up with was basically Morrowind-lite, instead of the challenging, lore filled, RPG that I had expected.

My disappointment was just too much for me - so, after only a few days, I stopped playing the game completely.[/QUOTE]

[DarthZ]

I would buy it, I would buy this game just to support Bethesda for their great ideas. I buyed collectors edition directly when it was released, played 2 hours, put it on shelf to wait for a better graphics card. My GForce 8800 GTX is arriving in christmas so I'll just have to wait 2-3 weeks before I'll take the box down from the shelf and start playing it.

I don't think the game can beat Morrowind; as I see Morrowind, along with BG2 and KotOR as the best RPGs ever made. Oblivion is made to be seen and experienced; it's another type of RPG in my eyes.

[RebelousDarkElf]

Get it, I am. It looks great, and I do agree that Morrowind's graphics were dissapointing, but that wasn't the vocal point of the game. Trust me, GET IT!

[Alien_Newborn]

In the end, I would probably not recommend oblivion at all. When I first heard about oblivion, I bought a new 512mb video card for about $130 (I have no idea how that's even possible, so don't ask). When I got oblivion itself though, I was really disappointed. While the graphics were sweet (especially since I could run them at 100% now), everything else about the game was kinda lame when compared to Morrowind:The combat system, although a bit more simple, wasn't that great: no spears, no staffs (the ones you pimp-smack people with, that is), no thrown weapons or crossbows. I think the only thing they did right with that is that you can cast spells while your weapon's drawn.

Also, I think that Morrowind had a bit better of a plot. The whole time in Oblivion, the plot is basically (highlight) We can't win without the Amulet of Kings, so go find it and if you have to kick everyone's asses on the way, that's fine by us, whereas Morrowind has a much more significant back story, and I'll assume everyone knows it by now.

Finally, I just found the general game design on oblivion kinda crappy. For example, in morrowind, you had to pay anywhere from 10-100 gold to travel a long distance, and that was only to major towns and cities, whereas in oblivion there's no travel services, since if you've been somewhere, you can travel there instantly and for free. Also, morrowind had more of an adventure feel to it (eg. you're walking along, then all of a sudden, whoosh! You fall into some hole and find a cave entrance, which you plunder, having no idea what's in it, and you find some sweet new gear.), while oblivion was more predictable (eg. you're walking along and you go "hey, the map says there's a cave up ahead"). Finally, according to lore and all that, Cyrodiil was supposed to be (get this) 200 times bigger than they made it in oblivion (eg about 800km from end to end) I know that's pretty much impossible to do, but they could've at least given it a try.

So, the choice is really up to you as to which game is more worth it: if you want a good system, good gameplay, and good adventuring (and superior modability), stick with Morrowind, but if you're more into substance-lacking open warfare with a few perks, give oblivion a try.

[DarthZ]

Get it, I am. It looks great, and I do agree that Morrowind's graphics were dissapointing, but that wasn't the vocal point of the game. Trust me, GET IT!

How can you say that? The graphics in Morrowind were better than in any other game at the time of the release; I had never played such a good looking game before! The games graphics is better than some games released nowadays, and Morrowind is like 3-4 years old now.

In the end, I would probably not recommend oblivion at all. When I first heard about oblivion, I bought a new 512mb video card for about $130 (I have no idea how that's even possible, so don't ask). When I got oblivion itself though, I was really disappointed. While the graphics were sweet (especially since I could run them at 100% now), everything else about the game was kinda lame when compared to Morrowind:The combat system, although a bit more simple, wasn't that great: no spears, no staffs (the ones you pimp-smack people with, that is), no thrown weapons or crossbows. I think the only thing they did right with that is that you can cast spells while your weapon's drawn.

Also, I think that Morrowind had a bit better of a plot. The whole time in Oblivion, the plot is basically (highlight) We can't win without the Amulet of Kings, so go find it and if you have to kick everyone's asses on the way, that's fine by us, whereas Morrowind has a much more significant back story, and I'll assume everyone knows it by now.

Finally, I just found the general game design on oblivion kinda crappy. For example, in morrowind, you had to pay anywhere from 10-100 gold to travel a long distance, and that was only to major towns and cities, whereas in oblivion there's no travel services, since if you've been somewhere, you can travel there instantly and for free. Also, morrowind had more of an adventure feel to it (eg. you're walking along, then all of a sudden, whoosh! You fall into some hole and find a cave entrance, which you plunder, having no idea what's in it, and you find some sweet new gear.), while oblivion was more predictable (eg. you're walking along and you go "hey, the map says there's a cave up ahead"). Finally, according to lore and all that, Cyrodiil was supposed to be (get this) 200 times bigger than they made it in oblivion (eg about 800km from end to end) I know that's pretty much impossible to do, but they could've at least given it a try.

So, the choice is really up to you as to which game is more worth it: if you want a good system, good gameplay, and good adventuring (and superior modability), stick with Morrowind, but if you're more into substance-lacking open warfare with a few perks, give oblivion a try.

Morrowind didn't really have a story, that was the point with it. You could do whatever you want. I, for example, joined Redoran in early game and after building a castle and that stuff I started to explore for artifacts and different kinds of stuff all over the world. Same thing with Oblivion (spoiler: even though they pointed you more in the direction because you started with seeing the emperor dying and having the amulet). Oblivion is a world, it's not a normal game.

The combat system in Oblivion is alot better (it was OK in Morrowind, most reviewers said that it sucked but I thought it was OK). I can't really say that I enjoyed crossbows, spears and staffs/staves in Morrowind. Why use a spear when you can use a huge hammer or a cool sword? And really, throwing stars... in a medieval theme? Feels pretty japanese to me, NOT cool in the design they used for the rest of the game. I think it's good that they removed those things.

The rest I do agree with you, I really miss the travel service and I have to say that I hate the map as it is in Oblivion (looks nice, sure, but it's too predictable as you say) and I hate the compass showing exactly where you're supposed to go and I hate most of all the instant travel thing (I don't really enjoy the horses either, the animations are REALLY dumb and bad made and it looks really silly to ride fast).

The best thing about Morrowind was the exploring; and since you now have the map and compass you really don't feel like exploring as much as you did in MW; I prefer the cities now.

[RebelousDarkElf]

DarthZ, at the time,the graphics were great, but the third person view and how the NPCs talked was kind of a joke. So though the overall graphics were great, these little things bothered me greatly. Anyway, noone can argue that Oblivions graphics are great in every aspect...

[DarthZ]

DarthZ, at the time,the graphics were great, but the third person view and how the NPCs talked was kind of a joke. So though the overall graphics were great, these little things bothered me greatly. Anyway, noone can argue that Oblivions graphics are great in every aspect...

How the NPCs talked? And the third person view? Whats wrong with those?

[fable]

Guys, as you know from the Morrowind forums, I'm second to none in my appreciation for the game. That said, this isn't the thread to argue whether Morrowind was worth it, or not. Let's just focus on putting up our own views, each of us, for Oblivion. That's what the thread starter wanted.

And if you want to argue the quality of Morrowind, I'll have no problem if either of you (or anybody else) wants to start a real discussing this over in that forum.

[CrimsonSun]

I just got this game and I already can't stop playing it, the game is way better than Morrowind imo and the graphics are really nice too, especially on my 50 inch plasma! so i would vote, yes

[FighterTundra]

$50 yes. €60=$72? here in europe: no. just too many bugs.