Summoning Problems *Slight spoilers*

[Magelord648]

I am running Morrowind with Tribunal and Bloodmoon and I'm running the latest Bloodmoon patch. Neither of the summoning spells from the exspanions are working. (Call wolf and Call bear from Korst Wind-Eye (BM) and summon Fabricant from the Mazed band. (TB) I've looked in the construction set and I can't find anything wrong. Any ideas?
I've searched and all I've got is that it is caused by mods so I'll post my mod list ASAP. In the mean time does anyone know any of the offending mods?
Thanks.

[Sean The Owner]

and i was beginning to think you knew everything about this game...lol

do you mean they arent working as in...they just arent casting? or they arent even there?

[Magelord648]

They're casting but nothing is coming. I've been TESAMEing like crazy and I was amazed by how many mods have GMSTs. Even the Bethesda mods are full of them. Now I'm able to summon the Wolf and Bear but I still can't summon a Fabricant.

PS.
I do know everything I'm just testing you.

[Sean The Owner]

is the cast rate really low? like...2% chance to cast?

[Magelord648]

The summon Fabricant is an enchantment so it always works aslong as it has charge. I'll post a screen shot of what happpens.

[fable]

They're casting but nothing is coming. I've been TESAMEing like crazy and I was amazed by how many mods have GMSTs. Even the Bethesda mods are full of them.

A couple of the Bethesda mods have been infamous for years for causing problems. As for GMSTs, not all of them are bad, and the problem really has to do with not loading the official ESM files. Here's the detail on it, from one excellent private tech FAQ, a number of years ago:

What the hell is a GMST?
Game Setting (GMST) records are entries that contain game information required by Morrowind. Some of them contain numerical values for armor and weapons, movement and abilites, game data relating to view distance and gamma settings, while others simply contain the names of skills or spells.

GMST contamination first became apparent with the release of Tribunal, where it was found that saving a plug-in file without having Tribunal loaded resulted in erroneous GMST entries being dumped into that file.
This contamination breaks the Summon Fabricant spell and changes the names of the Seller Max (to Max Sale) and Share (to Companion Share) buttons. Bloodmoon added another 61 GMST entries bringing the total to 72.
The origin of these entries is the Construction Set executable file itself, and has nothing to do with any of the master (esm) files. This can easily be proven by loading the CS.exe file, and then saving a file without loading any content. The result is about 80+ kb of GMST entries (1400+), all with incorrect values. These incorrect Morrowind GMST values manifest as a widespread corruption of text strings throughout the game, the most notable is having the letter 's' prefixing every skill and ability.

These 'bogus' entries appear only when the Construction Set cannot find the corresponding GMST value in a master file (which contains the correct values for each). This is why the problem was first encountered after Tribunal was released. Many people continued to make Morrowind only mods with Tribunal patched versions of the Construction Set. As some of the new functionality added by Tribunal required game setting variables, they were patched into the CS.exe file. Those making Morrowind only mods would therefore not load Tribunal, which contained the correct GMST values, and hence the incorrectly defined ones were quietly saved into their plugin files.

So to simplify: Official.esm NOT loaded = GMST contamination .

[BlueSky]

Thanks for the post
That explained a lot about my past game problems...oh well
at least my new character is still going strong...:laugh:

[Magelord648]

I have the official files though. They are patched with the European Bloodmoon patch. (I live in England) I can't think of anything that would make the files "unofficial".

[fable]

I have the official files though. They are patched with the European Bloodmoon patch. (I live in England) I can't think of anything that would make the files "unofficial".

I think the author meant by "official.esm" files that were ESMs from the main game, as opposed to mod files you or I could create that are ESMs.

[Magelord648]

See any possible offenders?

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[Game Files]
GameFile0=Better Heads Bloodmoon addon.esm
GameFile1=Better Heads Tribunal addon.esm
GameFile2=Better Heads.esm
GameFile3=BH_Barenziah_Replace.esm
GameFile4=BH_Helseth_Replace.esm
GameFile5=Bloodmoon.esm
GameFile6=Book Rotate.esm
GameFile7=Morrowind.esm
GameFile8=Tribunal.esm
GameFile9=-Uvirith Inside.esp
GameFile10=AprogasArmorEnchantTribunal.20021210.esp
GameFile11=AreaEffectArrows.esp
GameFile12=Armor Mannequin1.esp (edited)
GameFile13=Ashlanderscout.esp
GameFile14=BAR_CalderaCottage_v1.0.esp
GameFile15=bcsounds.esp
GameFile16=Better Bodies.esp
GameFile17=BetterBooks_AlchFormfix.esp
GameFile18=Blight Bounties.esp
GameFile19=Book Jackets - Bloodmoon - BookRotate.esp
GameFile20=Book Jackets - Morrowind - BookRotate.esp
GameFile21=Book Jackets - Tribunal - BookRotate.esp
GameFile22=Book Rotate - Bloodmoon v5.3.esp
GameFile23=Book Rotate - Morrowind v1.1.esp
GameFile24=Book Rotate - Tribunal v5.3.esp
GameFile25=Clean Better Daedric.esp
GameFile26=Clean Sexy_Black_Collar_Dress_v.1a.esp
GameFile27=Clean Telvanni_Robe_V2.esp
GameFile28=Clean_Templar_Pauldron_Fix_v11.esp
GameFile29=constance1_0.esp
GameFile30=Detect Owner.esp
GameFile31=DM_DB Armor Replacer-ExpRanks.esp
GameFile32=Dodge Mod 1.2-WD (Enhanced-LD) (Tribunal).esp
GameFile33=dracandrosvoice.esp
GameFile34=Dragonscale.esp
GameFile35=Ebony Armor Fixes.esp
GameFile36=EBQ_Artifact.esp
GameFile37=entertainers.esp
GameFile38=Exquisite_Robes.esp
GameFile39=Fair Magicka Regen (one Percent).esp
GameFile40=frostmoth_repaired_v0_31.esp
GameFile41=Healers.esp
GameFile42=HF621CapeV1.1.esp
GameFile43=k_weather.esp
GameFile44=LeFemmArmor.esp
GameFile45=masterenchantfix.esp (self made)
GameFile46=master_index.esp
GameFile47=moons_soulgems.esp
GameFile48=MultiMark.esp
GameFile49=MultiMark_BloodmoonPlugin.esp
GameFile50=MultiMark_TribunalPlugin.esp
GameFile51=NPC LCV Locks.esp
GameFile52=NPC LCV Schedules 03.esp
GameFile53=OR_Fang.esp
GameFile54=Particle Arrows.esp
GameFile55=richcreeper.esp [Game Files]
GameFile0=Better Heads Bloodmoon addon.esm
GameFile1=Better Heads Tribunal addon.esm
GameFile2=Better Heads.esm
GameFile3=BH_Barenziah_Replace.esm
GameFile4=BH_Helseth_Replace.esm
GameFile5=Bloodmoon.esm
GameFile6=Book Rotate.esm
GameFile7=Morrowind.esm
GameFile8=Tribunal.esm
GameFile9=-Uvirith Inside.esp
GameFile10=AprogasArmorEnchantTribunal.20021210.esp
GameFile11=AreaEffectArrows.esp
GameFile12=Armor Mannequin1.esp
GameFile13=Ashlanderscout.esp
GameFile14=BAR_CalderaCottage_v1.0.esp
GameFile15=bcsounds.esp
GameFile16=Better Bodies.esp
GameFile17=BetterBooks_AlchFormfix.esp
GameFile18=Blight Bounties.esp
GameFile19=Book Jackets - Bloodmoon - BookRotate.esp
GameFile20=Book Jackets - Morrowind - BookRotate.esp
GameFile21=Book Jackets - Tribunal - BookRotate.esp
GameFile22=Book Rotate - Bloodmoon v5.3.esp
GameFile23=Book Rotate - Morrowind v1.1.esp
GameFile24=Book Rotate - Tribunal v5.3.esp
GameFile25=Clean Better Daedric.esp
GameFile26=Clean Sexy_Black_Collar_Dress_v.1a.esp
GameFile27=Clean Telvanni_Robe_V2.esp
GameFile28=Clean_Templar_Pauldron_Fix_v11.esp
GameFile29=constance1_0.esp
GameFile30=Detect Owner.esp
GameFile31=DM_DB Armor Replacer-ExpRanks.esp
GameFile32=Dodge Mod 1.2-WD (Enhanced-LD) (Tribunal).esp
GameFile33=dracandrosvoice.esp
GameFile34=Dragonscale.esp
GameFile35=Ebony Armor Fixes.esp
GameFile36=EBQ_Artifact.esp
GameFile37=entertainers.esp
GameFile38=Exquisite_Robes.esp
GameFile39=Fair Magicka Regen (one Percent).esp
GameFile40=frostmoth_repaired_v0_31.esp
GameFile41=Healers.esp
GameFile42=HF621CapeV1.1.esp
GameFile43=k_weather.esp
GameFile44=LeFemmArmor.esp
GameFile45=masterenchantfix.esp (self made)
GameFile46=master_index.esp
GameFile47=moons_soulgems.esp
GameFile48=MultiMark.esp
GameFile49=MultiMark_BloodmoonPlugin.esp
GameFile50=MultiMark_TribunalPlugin.esp
GameFile51=NPC LCV Locks.esp
GameFile52=NPC LCV Schedules 03.esp
GameFile53=OR_Fang.esp
GameFile54=Particle Arrows.esp
GameFile55=richcreeper.esp
GameFile56=Rotate Enhanced.esp
GameFile57=Scripted_Spells.esp
GameFile58=Scriptlab1.esp (self made)
GameFile59=secretmasters.esp (self made)
GameFile60=Sris_Alchemy.esp
GameFile61=Sris_Alchemy_BM.esp
GameFile62=Suran Archery Store_v3.0.esp
GameFile63=Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
GameFile64=S_Inn_th.esp
GameFile65=Tales of Tel Branora.esp
GameFile66=Tales of the Bitter Coast.esp
GameFile67=TemplarSheild(guywithshield).esp (edited)
GameFile68=town_of_uvirith.esp
GameFile69=Toys.esp
GameFile70=Twilight_Flight_1.0.esp
GameFile71=udyrfryktecorpse.esp (self made)
GameFile72=Vampire Hider.esp
GameFile73=Volendrung_enchantment.esp
GameFile74=Weapon Range Balance.esp
GameFile75=wolvesandbears.esp (self made)

GameFile56=Rotate Enhanced.esp
GameFile57=Scripted_Spells.esp
GameFile58=Scriptlab1.esp (self made)
GameFile59=secretmasters.esp (self made)
GameFile60=Sris_Alchemy.esp
GameFile61=Sris_Alchemy_BM.esp
GameFile62=Suran Archery Store_v3.0.esp
GameFile63=Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
GameFile64=S_Inn_th.esp
GameFile65=Tales of Tel Branora.esp
GameFile66=Tales of the Bitter Coast.esp
GameFile67=TemplarSheild(guywithshield).esp (edited)
GameFile68=town_of_uvirith.esp
GameFile69=Toys.esp
GameFile70=Twilight_Flight_1.0.esp
GameFile71=udyrfryktecorpse.esp (self made)
GameFile72=Vampire Hider.esp
GameFile73=Volendrung_enchantment.esp
GameFile74=Weapon Range Balance.esp
GameFile75=wolvesandbears.esp (self made)

[fable]

Any ESP could be the culprit, because any of them could have been made by somebody who had not loaded the appropriate official ESMs. I couldn't tell you which mod is the culprit, because I've only tried about 75% of the mods you run--and in those, there are some earlier versions that might have problems, too.

I've used TEStool for cleaning purposes, in the past. It's very good in catching GMSTs. I suggest running it just for that on all your mods. It should create a "clean XXXX.ESP" for each mod, and should also tell you when mods are already clean. (Note that mods which he assumes aren't clean are sometimes fine, just possessing empty fields that it feels shouldn't be there. They can be successfully removed without problems, and will respawn as needed.)

[Magelord648]

I'll give that a try then.

[Magelord648]

I'VE DONE IT!
I couldn't get testool to download. (file planet was messing up.) So I went back with TESAME and it turned out I missed some GMSTs. It's all working now and thanks everyone for your help.