Valygar/Haer Dalis Weapons..Party has Many choices

Claudius · Post by **Claudius** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:48 am

I am playing a party with that I hope to eventually aquire:

PC sorc SoM

Kheldorn Carsomyr

Jaheira Best Staff or Spear or Club(if need shield)

Jan Best Shortbow or crossbow (melee to avoid ac penalty if fronted)

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Then the guys in question are Valygar and Jan

Valygar Celestial Fury Best Longbow and others???????

Haer Dalis shortswords (early) later?????

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Now considering that the first four choices don't take up many weapons...there are a lot out there up for grabs. S[ecial Note: I don't like to pause the game a million times and change weapons for ideal situation.

Valygar needs a backstabbing weapon AND possibly an offhand (not neccessarily because he might want to use his bow a fair amount and switching is a pain). Initially Celestial Fury is ideal but whatabout endgame?

Backstabbing weapons: Celestial Fury (to keep it simple), Hindo's Doom +4/5? (still a D10 katana with an extra +1/2, resists), Angurvadal +5 (now +5 w str and fire), Dagger of Stars +5 (15% invisible on hit), Shortsword of Mask +5

I am thinking that Angurval is pretty good backstabbing AND a good utility warrior weapon so a good choice. Hindo's Doom and Celestial Fury good too.

Offhand (does he need one? Do I need bow?): I'm not sure he needs one but Crom Faeyr is out there, Belm, Kundane, Equalizer, Blackrazor, Dagger of Stars? for invis. (I'm really not sure what other good offhand are....I don't think 1 extra attack is quite worth it..you want a good property)

Haer Dalis (melee): Main Hand? Off Hand?

Flail of Ages is up for grabs, Crom Faeyr, Belm, Scarlet, Equalizer, Kundane, Dakkon Zerth, Rune Hammer, Axe of Unyielding, anything goes but probably one handed weapons fit a duel wielder better

My guess is that scimitars are best since sheer number of attacks will help more as he misses the warrior extra attacks/whirlwinds (scarlet ninjato/belm)....2+2+1(offensive spin) attack/round =10 during imp haste

If that is true what other profs are a priority? flail? hammer?

This seems a weird party in terms of many factors including weapons. Any help is appreciated.

claudius

Raven_Song · Post by **Raven_Song** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:16 am

For Valygar I'd go

Main-hand: Celestial Fury +3 or Hindo's Doom +4
Off-Hand: Belm +2 or Dagger of Stars +5

I wouldn't bother using him as a sniper, his mani role should be as scout/backstabber. If you find you are using him more as an archer, you'd probably be better off with Mazzy.

For Haer'Dalis

Main hand: Blackrazor +3 or Short Sword of Mask
Off-hand: Kundane +2, Angurvadal +5 (since he really needs the Girdle of Fortitude, the STR bonus from the sword can help)

Claudius · Post by **Claudius** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:07 pm

Thanks for the reply raven song.

I agree on Valygars main hand and the offhand looks good too. On Haer Dalis I like the main hand weapons. Some way to get thaco up might be good early on too (either Crom Faeyr or Equalizer). For offhand Kundane is solid and then Arguvadal is another way to get str and thaco.

Good ideas. Its nice to get a consensus rather than dump prof points and then want to change.

claudius

Edit: I've got an additional question that has got my mouth watering... Does the dagger of stars +5 invisibility 15% on hit affect all attacks (main hand too) or just the dagger. That would be awesome if it affects all!

Klorox · Post by **Klorox** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:14 pm

I like Belm, The Equalizer, or Crom Faeyr in Valygar's offhand.

I'm a big fan of Haer'Dalis having either Kundane or Dakkon's Zerth Blade in his offhand.

Celacena · Post by **Celacena** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:07 am

I know CF is only +3, but it is my favourite sword in the game - the stun feature makes up for anything else - it is so helpful to get a respite from being hit back and also it can allow the character to run away if they need to.
I have seen some phenomenal scores on a backstab with CF.

I give HD the short sword of the Mask, but it is worth considering a weapon with incidental benefits, like immunity from confusion/free action etc. I prefer to give Belm to Jaheira and have her dual it with Rashid's talon at medium levels. later on, a staff is often better for her because of the need to greater + to hit. the +4 staff can hit most things, but there is also a druids' staff that gives extra memorisation slots.

I confess that despite extensive playing experience, I made a bit of a mistake - I put **** in dagger thinking that certain weapons that I'd given to Nalia in the past were daggers - they were short-swords and my proficiency with daggers has not given the benefits I expected. I need to find a dagger better than +2 soon or I'll be upset...

Onkel Bob · Post by **Onkel Bob** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:23 am

Raven_Song wrote:...Angurvadal +5 (since he really needs the Girdle of Fortitude, the STR bonus from the sword can help)

You don't really need him to wear it more than a few seconds everytime you rest your party. Just long enough to cast the spell. Then you can give him a strength belt again.

Celacena wrote:I confess that despite extensive playing experience, I made a bit of a mistake - I put **** in dagger thinking that certain weapons that I'd given to Nalia in the past were daggers - they were short-swords and my proficiency with daggers has not given the benefits I expected. I need to find a dagger better than +2 soon or I'll be upset...

There's a dagger +3 in the astral prison. Other than that there aren't that many.

Claudius · Post by **Claudius** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:26 pm

Valygar HLAs and weapons

I've been doing more thinking on Valygars weapons.

One thing I don't understand is what HLAs are good. Is it true that the best thing to do is just have 2 hardiness and a bunch of greater whirlwinds? In that case I guess belm offhand would be kind of redundant and could be replaced with a weapon that could enhance damage of the Greater Whirlwind like equalizer or if he doesn't have a strength belt equipped then a strength enhancing weapon. In my game I'd probably go longswords: Equalizer (offhand), Angurval (main), some non-strength girdle. But there are so many to choose from its hard

The other idea is to go with belm and Celestial Fury maybe switching to Foebane +5 for ToB. In this case I would give him bracers blinding strike and maybe ring of Gaxx for improved haste (plus mage/sorc can buff him). Then the question turns into what HLAs do I want if I'm not going for whirlwinds (as improved haste gives him 9 attacks anyway:laugh: ) Power attack seems kind of redundant with celestial fury (does it stack) crit strike seems good as well as smite. then greater deathblow might be uneccessary with a sorc and death spell?

What do you think?

claudius

Claudius · Post by **Claudius** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:42 pm

Haer Dalis weapons continued

So the above is my Valygar conondrum. Now for the Haer Dalis woes...

On Haer Dalis I think one thing I have decided on is to use kundane as the offhand weapon. He can't ever whirlwind so he needs the bonus attack plus he has two stars in shortswords (strangely?). Main hand I'm not so sure. I could give him a strength granting item (How about Angurval?) and save me the trouble of switching out girdles all the time. Or short sword of Mask and take advantage of the weapon specialization in short swords.

There are other main hand weapons I can toy with no doubt we shall see. Right now he's using a shortsword +3 to help his thaco (I'm in the underdark). Not sure what to spend next proficiency on.. He has shortsword(2), dagger, dart, longsword, two weapon fighting (3) Any suggestions?..

claudius

Raven_Song · Post by **Raven_Song** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:53 am

Whatever you decide with Valygar remember that if you want to make use of back-stab he is restricted to using weapons normally available to thief.

For Haer'Dalis you could obtain another * in long swords.