*SPOILER* Giovanni - cant use persuasion..??

[tazzinem]

this is really annoying me.. i can get the 3 relatives talking, but none as far as telling me their secrets.. and nadja keeps telling me to go away... i cant unpick the locked doors either, even using my powers... do i have to go back and redo a heap of levels to get points and put them towards persuasion?? im at level 7, but it's obviously ot enough.. driving me crazy!! any help would be appreciated!!

[Tricky]

I'm pretty sure you have to have your social stats maxed in that area. There is another way though, if you trace your steps back a bit you might find a secret entrance. Just click on the walls a bit just before you enter the big hall. You can sort of circle two-thirds of the hall in between walls. The mirrors on the sides turn out to be windows. There are a few more secret doors here, if you care to do a bit of exploring.

[Jhereg]

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this is really annoying me.. i can get the 3 relatives talking, but none as far as telling me their secrets.. and nadja keeps telling me to go away... i cant unpick the locked doors either, even using my powers... do i have to go back and redo a heap of levels to get points and put them towards persuasion?? im at level 7, but it's obviously ot enough.. driving me crazy!! any help would be appreciated!!

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I'm not 100% certain what the threshold is, but I poinked the Giovanni kids just last night with persuasion 9. Picking or unpicking has no effect. It's all about persuasion. The good news is that you can blow through the mansion without talking to anybody. The points for turning the three stooges against each other are gravy. If you can persuade the girl in the white dress to show you a secret, or if you can just pick your way through, you can resolve the quest.

Don't stress on the small stuff. In the library, the shield with the sword is the switch to the door to the basement, and the platform with the switch is the elevator to the dungeon. Pick the library, activate the shield, jump on the platform and throw the switch, and boom - you're up to your armpits in zombies.

[Coruel]

The persuasion scores for getting the dirt on the Giovannis are (highlight to read)

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8 for Adam, the banker type, and 9 for the two others (Mira and Chris)

If you're a male, you might get some extra dialogue and maybe an easier time with Mira and Nadia if you use seduction - but contrary to elsewhere don't try it on them when you're playing a female character, homosexuality is not looked kindly upon in the Giovanni family, as Chris will tell you if you tell him "you're in the closet". You might be able to get back in their good graces if you have high persuasion.

[tazzinem]

thanks

thanks for those guys. tried all , have found secret doors, but that doesnt get me to where i need to be.. i cant get in the library without nadja or unpicking the door, and my lockpicking isn't high enough.. my persuasion is only level 7, and i need level 9 at least apparently... i cant even unlock the doors where the hookers are.. i just dont know what else to do other than going back and redoing everything, and putting points where they are needed more..

[Anaximander]

Personally, I think everybody should play a Nosferatu at least once. Then you'd see what the game is like when social interaction for the most part is not an option.

One of the secret passages in the Giovani mansion will lead you to the library. If you use this passage to get there, a guard will be present. Don't worry, though, he'll turn his back to you soon enough and you can either stealth kill him or drain him dry. I think he's even kind enough to open the secret passage into the crypt for you, but I could mistaken on that point. If so, it's easy enough to open it yourself. Just pull the sword on the wall.

[Jhereg]

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thanks for those guys. tried all , have found secret doors, but that doesnt get me to where i need to be.. i cant get in the library without nadja or unpicking the door, and my lockpicking isn't high enough.. my persuasion is only level 7, and i need level 9 at least apparently... i cant even unlock the doors where the hookers are.. i just dont know what else to do other than going back and redoing everything, and putting points where they are needed more..

Have you tried blood buff? Your security feat must be desperately low if you can't pick the library even with blood buff, and if that's the case, then, yes, you have to go back and re-distribute your points. I would think, though, that persuasion 7 would be high enough to persuade Nadia to take you to the basement. Perhaps you've just not chosen the correct dialog options.

I've talked Nadia into taking me downstairs even when I couldn't get the point from Adam, so I must have been at persuasion 7 as well. She's not that hard - if you can get in, you can usually get her.

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There is, of course, another route, albeit a dangerous one. Start killing the Giovanni. If you do that, the zombies will break out of the basement, which willl leave you in an open battle with them, but they will do you the favor of opening all of the doors - from the other side. Hint - when battling a clan of heavily armed vampires backed by a bunch of zombies, take the high ground first.

[Coruel]

To convince Nadia I don't think you need more than 6, but you need to be a bit more careful what you choose and dialogue options will light up in blue a bit earlier if you have very high persuasion.

[Celacena]

somebody mentioned that Nadia was not up for girl-on-girl action - I'm sure that is wrong. I think I have got jiggy with her when playing a female PC - smooth talk her upstairs and then get taken to the embalming room then the crypt.