Neo: "What are you trying to tell me? That I can play BG without mods?"
Morpheus: "No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to."
Gentlemen, tell me about BG please
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So, a very methodical approach to RPGing. Commendable. I tend to make notes, too, because it helps to know how the game plays, as opposed to how to play the game. But you'll find all sorts of nuances discussed here in the forum, that are easy to overlook both in the manual and the game.RPG Guy (sorta) wrote:Check this...
Games like this (typically), I'll study the manual first...making notes.
That makes sense. It works for BG2, since quests are so linear. In a game like Morrowind, where I have 200+ mods installed, I've a tendency to wander around and start things, then set them aside when I come across another wrinkle in the game that wasn't there when I originally played it. As a result, not a lot gets done at any one time, but I see a lot, and my PC has a house full of interesting and odd stuff.Then I'll develop a systematic approach to exploring every inch of the game world, BUT, as I trigger any sub-quest...I'll pursue that sub-quest to its utter conclusion before resuming my exploration strategy.
Most impressive. Somewhat masochistic, everything considered, but still, most impressive. You realize that kind of resolve once built the Hanging Gardens of Babylon?I NEVER RE-LOAD OR FAIL TO ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES OF ANY GAME DECISION.
Just as well. I found the writing hysterically bad. But I think I catch your drift.You only get one chance to see the Matrix for the first time.
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I wouldn't be too purist about reloading if the story lines of the game, especially BG2, interests you.
The story can change in some ways depending on decisions you make. Especially with the Banter or Flirtpack mods, I often reload just to see what responses I get with various conversations. In some cases, the consequences might not be what you want! I just had to reload the "incident" with Anomen and Kelsey in ToB - lots of fun, especially if you dislike Kelsey.
Also, if you're new to these games, you might want to reload a battle to try different strategies. It's a learning process; I'd be irritated by making a no-reload game my guiding objective.
I played BG first, as was recommended here. Then BG2. Then BG2 again, with mods. Now I'm an addict. I've played the NPC mods that interest me but there seems to be a new one in development at Gibberlings 3 that looks interesting.
Meanwhile, I've started Icewind Dale and, compared to BG2, it just seems like so much hack 'n slash. Not sure if it can hold my interest. In my opinion, BG2 is the most fun I've ever had out of a PC game. I hope that the fan base keeps expanding so that modders are encouraged to keep adding to the game.
The story can change in some ways depending on decisions you make. Especially with the Banter or Flirtpack mods, I often reload just to see what responses I get with various conversations. In some cases, the consequences might not be what you want! I just had to reload the "incident" with Anomen and Kelsey in ToB - lots of fun, especially if you dislike Kelsey.
Also, if you're new to these games, you might want to reload a battle to try different strategies. It's a learning process; I'd be irritated by making a no-reload game my guiding objective.
I played BG first, as was recommended here. Then BG2. Then BG2 again, with mods. Now I'm an addict. I've played the NPC mods that interest me but there seems to be a new one in development at Gibberlings 3 that looks interesting.
Meanwhile, I've started Icewind Dale and, compared to BG2, it just seems like so much hack 'n slash. Not sure if it can hold my interest. In my opinion, BG2 is the most fun I've ever had out of a PC game. I hope that the fan base keeps expanding so that modders are encouraged to keep adding to the game.
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Okay, I've managed to pry myself away from BG2: SoA for a bit to let you folks know how the maiden voyage is going. I want to acknowledge the time you spent replying to my OP with this little update which you veterans might find humorous.
THINGS TO NOTE:
1. I tried several after-markets but couldn't locate a decent copy of BG1. I tried for 2 weeks and ultimately gave up when the futility of the task became apparent. I hated starting BG2 without playng the first one. There's something unatural to me about starting with a LVL 7 character (sigh)
2. I have almost NIL experience with D&D roleplaying. I never played the pen and paper version and the only computer version I've experienced is Eye of the Beholder 2 (back in the day...ya know...before MC Hammer and all that junk)
3. I have not installed any patches or mods. Just running pure for the first run-through.
4. I went with a basic human fighter (no kits) and took what the computer generated for me (STR 15/DEX 12/CON 15/INT 11/WIS 12/CHA 12)
The first thing I want to say is man, the graphics are horrible. But I have to admire a game that has unique animations for the dozens and dozens (and dozens) of spells in the game. Pretty impressive. I'm also on day 6 of playing 4-8 hours per so, obviously, it's not a huge deal.
The second thing I want to say also relates to spells. There are too many third-nipple spells when you start at LVL 7. It's over-welming studying all of the spells (and weeding out all the junk that has no real impact at this level of play) but it's necessary if you want to have a clue WTF you're seeing on the screen during combat.
(3) I love the randomness and cruelty of the game. Check this: I'm coasting along with my crew through the Bridge District with everyone averaging LVL 8 or 9 at this point when (SPOILER):
I find a hidden tomb, accessed thru the back wall of a generic inn. Inside was a mo-fo Lich (gasp!). Grapically, he just looked like a dancing Jamaiican wearing a tie-dye hat but then he starting launching spells and incinerated my party within seconds or quite possibly milliseconds. The demon he summons is nice sadistic touch. Total massacre on each of the 4 attempts I made. So...time to move on and come back when I've levelled-up another 30 or 40 times. Anyways, I really like how you can easily stumble across an ordinary-looking adversary that can humble you instantly....it's got that nice impending doom kind-of feel to the game.
At the same time, it's a little frustrating not knowing the threats and weaknesses of your enemies but I have no intent on studying a DM monster manual. With no D&D background, it's really a pretty scary endeavor to crawl around through the various levels and dungeons.
Anyways...currently, I'm rolling with Minsc (funny but irritating), Korgan (my god damn personal hero), Yoshimo because (because you can't do squat without a thief and he's a good one), Aerie (I sincerely hate this chick but I've developed her into a real offensive spell juggernaugt and the Priest spells are a huge bonus) and Edwin (who I JUST managed to pick up about 14 game hours ago). I've reformed twice...throwing away Jaheira and Nalia after (SPOILER)
...taking lordship of her family's keep. Minsc is on his way out because I just found Haer'Dalis and I'm stoked to add the bard...especially one that can fight as well as he boasts.
BUT, currently, I'm trying to finish the Sightless Eye cult-quest which brings me to my final point for this particular update:
BEHOLDERS SUCK! I have no idea how to protect myself from their onslaught. One at a time? I can kill them but (just one) kicks the crap out of my party and I'm stuck at a spot were there are 5 little ones all together (barf) so wish me luck folks.
To conclude, I never reload when I quest cause I want a pure experience but I track my deaths. To-date, there have been 53 times where my lead character (or an essential party member) bit the dust and forced a re-load. Of course, 21 of those where due to beholders on the current level I'm playing. I'm guessing now that I should have waiting until I was LVL 15+ to take-on this particular quest (sigh). But I just found my first Rod of Ressurection so I'm hoping that the re-loads-per-day stat will plummet.
Having fun which is the most important thing. An I'm a manic inventory organizer!!! Thanks for the recommendations folks! More to follow...
THINGS TO NOTE:
1. I tried several after-markets but couldn't locate a decent copy of BG1. I tried for 2 weeks and ultimately gave up when the futility of the task became apparent. I hated starting BG2 without playng the first one. There's something unatural to me about starting with a LVL 7 character (sigh)
2. I have almost NIL experience with D&D roleplaying. I never played the pen and paper version and the only computer version I've experienced is Eye of the Beholder 2 (back in the day...ya know...before MC Hammer and all that junk)
3. I have not installed any patches or mods. Just running pure for the first run-through.
4. I went with a basic human fighter (no kits) and took what the computer generated for me (STR 15/DEX 12/CON 15/INT 11/WIS 12/CHA 12)
The first thing I want to say is man, the graphics are horrible. But I have to admire a game that has unique animations for the dozens and dozens (and dozens) of spells in the game. Pretty impressive. I'm also on day 6 of playing 4-8 hours per so, obviously, it's not a huge deal.
The second thing I want to say also relates to spells. There are too many third-nipple spells when you start at LVL 7. It's over-welming studying all of the spells (and weeding out all the junk that has no real impact at this level of play) but it's necessary if you want to have a clue WTF you're seeing on the screen during combat.
(3) I love the randomness and cruelty of the game. Check this: I'm coasting along with my crew through the Bridge District with everyone averaging LVL 8 or 9 at this point when (SPOILER):
I find a hidden tomb, accessed thru the back wall of a generic inn. Inside was a mo-fo Lich (gasp!). Grapically, he just looked like a dancing Jamaiican wearing a tie-dye hat but then he starting launching spells and incinerated my party within seconds or quite possibly milliseconds. The demon he summons is nice sadistic touch. Total massacre on each of the 4 attempts I made. So...time to move on and come back when I've levelled-up another 30 or 40 times. Anyways, I really like how you can easily stumble across an ordinary-looking adversary that can humble you instantly....it's got that nice impending doom kind-of feel to the game.
At the same time, it's a little frustrating not knowing the threats and weaknesses of your enemies but I have no intent on studying a DM monster manual. With no D&D background, it's really a pretty scary endeavor to crawl around through the various levels and dungeons.
Anyways...currently, I'm rolling with Minsc (funny but irritating), Korgan (my god damn personal hero), Yoshimo because (because you can't do squat without a thief and he's a good one), Aerie (I sincerely hate this chick but I've developed her into a real offensive spell juggernaugt and the Priest spells are a huge bonus) and Edwin (who I JUST managed to pick up about 14 game hours ago). I've reformed twice...throwing away Jaheira and Nalia after (SPOILER)
...taking lordship of her family's keep. Minsc is on his way out because I just found Haer'Dalis and I'm stoked to add the bard...especially one that can fight as well as he boasts.
BUT, currently, I'm trying to finish the Sightless Eye cult-quest which brings me to my final point for this particular update:
BEHOLDERS SUCK! I have no idea how to protect myself from their onslaught. One at a time? I can kill them but (just one) kicks the crap out of my party and I'm stuck at a spot were there are 5 little ones all together (barf) so wish me luck folks.
To conclude, I never reload when I quest cause I want a pure experience but I track my deaths. To-date, there have been 53 times where my lead character (or an essential party member) bit the dust and forced a re-load. Of course, 21 of those where due to beholders on the current level I'm playing. I'm guessing now that I should have waiting until I was LVL 15+ to take-on this particular quest (sigh). But I just found my first Rod of Ressurection so I'm hoping that the re-loads-per-day stat will plummet.
Having fun which is the most important thing. An I'm a manic inventory organizer!!! Thanks for the recommendations folks! More to follow...
Is BG series worth playing. Absolutely! I consider it an essential part of an RPG computer game library. Compared to NWN2, it's video is vastly inferior as is the game system that it is based upon. DnD 3.5 is worlds ahead of DnD 2 in every way. However, the BG series remains a marvel in terms of the basic story, the villians, and the NPCs. I've not seen its equal in that regard, but I have not played Planescape Torment either. BG is a blast and mods certainly add to the replay value.
As others have recommended, besides the game itself, the latest official path and the fixpack are basics that should make your first run through the best.
You mentioned wanting to study the manual to maximize your characters. That's a good start. Unfortunately, the manual is full of errors and also lacks information. This game does not follow DnD 2 closely enough that you can refer to those rules. Instead, you may want to check out XyX's spell guide and gaming information. Other folks, myself included, have posted guides for beginners on this forum. Finally, the internet has ample sources of advice on overcoming any particular obstacle, including beholders.
If you want a no-reload, you will have to learn the game very well and pay close attention to in game hints of terrible battles to come. There are a number of encounters in this game that will shred your team if you are not prepared for it.
Have fun!
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As others have recommended, besides the game itself, the latest official path and the fixpack are basics that should make your first run through the best.
You mentioned wanting to study the manual to maximize your characters. That's a good start. Unfortunately, the manual is full of errors and also lacks information. This game does not follow DnD 2 closely enough that you can refer to those rules. Instead, you may want to check out XyX's spell guide and gaming information. Other folks, myself included, have posted guides for beginners on this forum. Finally, the internet has ample sources of advice on overcoming any particular obstacle, including beholders.
If you want a no-reload, you will have to learn the game very well and pay close attention to in game hints of terrible battles to come. There are a number of encounters in this game that will shred your team if you are not prepared for it.
Have fun!
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If your having trouble with beholders the patch offers a few bonus merchants that came out with the collectors edition. These items are uber-expensive (at least early on) and one of those items is (spoiler ahead)
a shield that reflects beholder rays back at the caster. 1 tank can just walk all over them
with this item the unseeing eye quest becomes doable at those low levels. I have considerable expierience with mages and even so would be hard pressed to take on 6-7 beholders without that shield. (at those levels)
Regardless whether or not you want to buy overpowered items, I reccommend installing SoA or ToB fixpack depending on whether or not you have the expansion, and Baldurdash fixpack. They will save you headaches down the road, such as quest not finishing properly. There is no content change except for the two merchants, so don't worry about it altering your game expierience.
Edit: Since many consider that item cheese, I'll give you a few pointers on dealing with Beholders without the item.
- Protect your self from electricity (scroll)
- buff your team with everything possible and if your still having trouble, potions help alot too
- cast haste or better improved hase on whoevers going to be doing the job
- Summon undead they have very high resistance to everything a level 15 cleric can summon powerfull skeletons.
-if your good at aiming nukes I think a skull trap might work as well.
a shield that reflects beholder rays back at the caster. 1 tank can just walk all over them
with this item the unseeing eye quest becomes doable at those low levels. I have considerable expierience with mages and even so would be hard pressed to take on 6-7 beholders without that shield. (at those levels)
Regardless whether or not you want to buy overpowered items, I reccommend installing SoA or ToB fixpack depending on whether or not you have the expansion, and Baldurdash fixpack. They will save you headaches down the road, such as quest not finishing properly. There is no content change except for the two merchants, so don't worry about it altering your game expierience.
Edit: Since many consider that item cheese, I'll give you a few pointers on dealing with Beholders without the item.
- Protect your self from electricity (scroll)
- buff your team with everything possible and if your still having trouble, potions help alot too
- cast haste or better improved hase on whoevers going to be doing the job
- Summon undead they have very high resistance to everything a level 15 cleric can summon powerfull skeletons.
-if your good at aiming nukes I think a skull trap might work as well.
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Regarding beholders:
Scrolls/spells of "protection from petrification" are very helpful too, as is the spell/scroll "stone to flesh."
Scrolls/spells of "protection from petrification" are very helpful too, as is the spell/scroll "stone to flesh."
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BGConfig.exe in your game folder will help you to choose proper resolution and set acceleration.RPG Guy (sorta) wrote: The first thing I want to say is man, the graphics are horrible.
Note: without mods/conversions (such as BGT or TuTu) BG1 looks much worse
Highly recommend you to install last patch and baldurdash fix.I have not installed any patches or mods
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Indeed, the patch and baldurdash fix repair *a lot* of bugs. They are not fun, optional modifications.Highly recommend you to install last patch and baldurdash fix.
@RPG Guy, it is obviously your game and your call, but you will avoid a lot of frustration if you install these two items.
As far as the graphics go, do bear in mind that they were pretty good for their time, and as stated if you go into your game configuration you can turn them all up to their optimal settings.
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I second these comments. From time to time we get complaints here about a range of basic, frustrating issues that are due to new players never having installed either the official or unofficial patches. They really do help a great deal.dragon wench wrote:Indeed, the patch and baldurdash fix repair *a lot* of bugs. They are not fun, optional modifications.
@RPG Guy, it is obviously your game and your call, but you will avoid a lot of frustration if you install these two items.
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CATASTROPHE!
Thanks to all for the comments following 'the update'
I've heeded the wise and gone back to do a proper install:
SoA
Official Patch
ToB
Official Patch
G3 Fixpack V2.
Skipping the Mods for now.
Many thanks for the Beholder tips. I'm trying to go through the game spoiler free but the advise is welcome in this case due to the magnitude of the problem. To remain true, I've decided to walk away from this particular quest for the time being. But my party will be back for some eyeball stew. That's a promise - Fear Factor style!
Thanks to all for the comments following 'the update'
I've heeded the wise and gone back to do a proper install:
SoA
Official Patch
ToB
Official Patch
G3 Fixpack V2.
Skipping the Mods for now.
Many thanks for the Beholder tips. I'm trying to go through the game spoiler free but the advise is welcome in this case due to the magnitude of the problem. To remain true, I've decided to walk away from this particular quest for the time being. But my party will be back for some eyeball stew. That's a promise - Fear Factor style!
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Another tip for fighting beholders is to increase the magic resistance on at least one of your party. Keep a look out for items/spells/equipment that can help you to increase your magic resistance, even temporarily. Most characters and NPC's have a default magic resistance of 0, which can only be raised by using various items in the game. It's expressed as a percentage, so only 10% magic resistance will not help that much against beholders!RPG Guy (sorta) wrote: Many thanks for the Beholder tips. I'm trying to go through the game spoiler free but the advise is welcome in this case due to the magnitude of the problem. To remain true, I've decided to walk away from this particular quest for the time being. But my party will be back for some eyeball stew. That's a promise - Fear Factor style!
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The game is very easy to find, at least in England, that is, if you buy the DVD version which includes ToSC(BG1 + expansion) SoA(BG2) and Tales of Bhaal.dragon wench wrote:We should all go into sales or something, that was awfully easy
I'm pretty sure there is a collector's package or something similar out, but it won't be easy to find... The game is no longer in publication, and therefore not sold regularly in stores or similar. But, you can find the series around, I'd advise an intensive hunt on Google.
Good luck!
The only problem with it is that it is rather buggy compared to the White Label Version that I had previously. if you get that version, you will definitely need to download the patches.
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I don't think you need the SoA patch, because it's installed when you install ToB. The ToB patch is the only "official Bioware" patch you need. It won't hurt anything (provided you stick with the installation order you specificied), but it would be one less patch to deal with.
I agree with not using mods on your virgin tour. Mods potentially increase the chances of encountering a bug. As good as many of them are, your First Time is the Worst Time to add a potential headache. First play the game the way the designers intended. Then with subsequent runs, add new content when the game is no longer new.
Lastly, even if it's just with a used copy from Amazon or whatever, it's a shame that your not doing BG1 & TotSC first.
Starting at level 1 is somehow just more sensible than level 7, as you mentioned, especially if you don't have a D&D background. Besides the obvious reason being that you'll experience the first half of this epic Saga, you'll also acquire spells & abilities a little at a time, instead of being overwhelmed with so many being thrown at you all at once right out of the gate, so to speak. And if you don't know how to effectively use a good many of them, this game can be rather difficult.
There are threads on this forum regarding which game is better, BG/TotSC or SoA/ToB. Very interesting discussions: both were made by Bioware and stem from the same game engine, yet both somehow have a unique feel (surviving at low levels versus high levels, atmosphere, etc).
Personally, I think the sequel is a more polished game, with higher resolutions, better NPC interaction, balanced for epic battles with epic monsters using epic abilities, etc. But BG1 has a certain charm to it that the sequel just doesn't have. Kinda like the Matrix.
I don't think you need the SoA patch, because it's installed when you install ToB. The ToB patch is the only "official Bioware" patch you need. It won't hurt anything (provided you stick with the installation order you specificied), but it would be one less patch to deal with.
I agree with not using mods on your virgin tour. Mods potentially increase the chances of encountering a bug. As good as many of them are, your First Time is the Worst Time to add a potential headache. First play the game the way the designers intended. Then with subsequent runs, add new content when the game is no longer new.
Lastly, even if it's just with a used copy from Amazon or whatever, it's a shame that your not doing BG1 & TotSC first.
Starting at level 1 is somehow just more sensible than level 7, as you mentioned, especially if you don't have a D&D background. Besides the obvious reason being that you'll experience the first half of this epic Saga, you'll also acquire spells & abilities a little at a time, instead of being overwhelmed with so many being thrown at you all at once right out of the gate, so to speak. And if you don't know how to effectively use a good many of them, this game can be rather difficult.
There are threads on this forum regarding which game is better, BG/TotSC or SoA/ToB. Very interesting discussions: both were made by Bioware and stem from the same game engine, yet both somehow have a unique feel (surviving at low levels versus high levels, atmosphere, etc).
Personally, I think the sequel is a more polished game, with higher resolutions, better NPC interaction, balanced for epic battles with epic monsters using epic abilities, etc. But BG1 has a certain charm to it that the sequel just doesn't have. Kinda like the Matrix.
Why is it that whenever I finally get around to playing a new game for the first time,
I feel like playing Baldur's Gate for the second time...
I feel like playing Baldur's Gate for the second time...
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ToB also has some mods made by one of the original developers which improve the rules-based AI of the enemies you face, making for a much tougher game.CFM wrote:Personally, I think the sequel is a more polished game, with higher resolutions, better NPC interaction, balanced for epic battles with epic monsters using epic abilities, etc.
We'll have to disagree on that one. But you could always load BG1TuTu, which superimposes the improved BG2 engine on BG1, allowing extra features.But BG1 has a certain charm to it that the sequel just doesn't have.
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That's exactly the case. Well said. But I'm already a couple steps ahead, towards overcoming this:CFM wrote: you'll also acquire spells & abilities a little at a time, instead of being overwhelmed with so many being thrown at you all at once right out of the gate, so to speak. And if you don't know how to effectively use a good many of them, this game can be rather difficult.
1. I'm studying this as I play along:
Baldur's Gate II - Spells Reference
2. I've re-started, abandoning my fighter-led effort. I feel like such a cheater/quitter but a bug-free experience is more important than continuity. With a fully-patched version, I've opted to run with a sorcerer instead.
It sucks having to replay the first 10 or so intro quests but managing the magic has gotten way easier from the newb perspective. Personally, I don't know why anyone would *opt* to play a wizard over the Sorc as the Sorc immediately gets 6 or 7 of each *chosen* LVL 1-4 spells and the hassle of 'memorization' is removed. Even just at LVL 9, my sorcy is already lighting up the screen with destruction.
Running around with 33 HP's is kinda lame but I can't wait to hook back up with Edwin. Me and him are going overwhelm the screen with animations (evil grin).
Touche on the Matrix comment BTW.
Yup, I peruse that excellent reference on my lunchhour for fun: a good read with interesting info. Informative sites like that (and forums like this), so dedicated to a game so long after it's retail lifespan has expired, shows what a whale of a game the BG Saga really is.
A bit hard on yourself, I'd say. Every game you buy has its own mechanics, style, etc. I attest that without a "practice" run, you couldn't know the kind of character you'd want to play with this particular title. And replaying the first 10 quests might be a tad tedious, but by Quest 11, you'll be more satisfied with where your at with your new dude. And maybe you can save the harder quests for later: if you get a few more levels under your belt and go into them with a greater array of tactical options (spells, abilities, equipment), then they might actually be more fun the second time.RPG Guy (sorta) wrote:2. I've re-started, abandoning my fighter-led effort. I feel like such a cheater/quitter but a bug-free experience is more important than continuity. With a fully-patched version, I've opted to run with a sorcerer instead.
It sucks having to replay the first 10 or so intro quests but managing the magic has gotten way easier from the newb perspective.
Anyways, welcome to the party.
Why is it that whenever I finally get around to playing a new game for the first time,
I feel like playing Baldur's Gate for the second time...
I feel like playing Baldur's Gate for the second time...
I just re-read my own post, and I disagree with me too. I have decided to smack myself for comparing BG2 to the Matrix sequels.fable wrote:We'll have to disagree on that one.
(*pow*)
What I really meant to say was that BG1 has a different kind of charm... not better, just different. I found that older thread I previously mentioned:
http://www.gamebanshee.com/forums/baldu ... 80631.html
Many good (and better described) opinions reside therein. RPG Guy, check it out if your curious about how the first game compares to the sequel. (I still say play 1 first.)
Why is it that whenever I finally get around to playing a new game for the first time,
I feel like playing Baldur's Gate for the second time...
I feel like playing Baldur's Gate for the second time...
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I would agree with you, there. For one thing, abilities, weapons and spells were more carefully defined and balanced in BG1. I think the "my a-bomb is bigger than your a-bomb" approach of BG2 was simply due to all the kiddies that like the idea of supposedly wielding huge power (when all they're doing is watching different special effects and numbers). I also like the need to travel everywhere by foot, though obviously many disagree with me on this.CFM wrote:What I really meant to say was that BG1 has a different kind of charm... not better, just different. I found that older thread
On the other hand, BG2 offers better variety in its quests, far better party interactions and characterizatoins, and puzzles of mild difficulty. But as I noted, you can always get the benfits of BG2 in BG1 if you can jump through the installation hoops of TuTu.
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