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Battle of the Canes...

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OK, I know this is actually a bit serious... but because of the way my sense of humour sometimes works, I was ROFL when I read this article... :p


[url="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070221.CANE21/EmailTPStory/TPNational"]Woman, 76, attacked with a cane - but she was able[/url]
PAUL WALDIE

Walburga Schaller is 76 years old, blind in one eye, has an artificial hip and severe arthritis, and walks with a cane. But she isn't afraid of a scrap. Just ask Robert Smith.

Ms. Schaller and Mr. Smith had never met until a spring afternoon in June, 2005, when they both set off on errands on the same west Toronto street. Ms. Schaller was going to the bank near her home and she took her usual path on the right-hand side of the sidewalk.

Mr. Smith, 52, was heading to a medical appointment and he was also walking with a cane because of a foot injury.

As they walked toward each other, both expected the other to give way.

Neither did and they ended up standing directly opposite, so close their shoes almost touched and Mr. Smith's glasses nearly rubbed Ms. Schaller's eyes.

That's when things turned nasty, the court file says.

First came an exchange of insults, then obscenities.

Cherie Coyle, who lived nearby and watched the altercation, testified in court that Mr. Smith and Ms. Schaller soon began hitting each other with their canes, both landing several blows.

Finally, Mr. Smith walked around Ms. Schaller. As he went by, Ms. Schaller said he pushed her shoulder and she called him a "bastard."

Mr. Smith then whacked her one last time with his cane near her collar bone, according to court files. He hit her so hard his cane shattered into pieces and Ms. Schaller fell to the ground. A bystander helped her up and called the police. Mr. Smith was arrested and charged with assault.

In court, Mr. Smith acknowledged hitting Ms. Schaller but insisted he was acting in self defence. He testified that he'd bought the cane that day for $14 "and that it was cheap and possibly filled with termites."

In an interview yesterday Ms. Schaller recounted the impasse on the sidewalk.

"He looked me straight in the eye and said 'You old *****, **** yourself,' " Ms. Schaller said, recalling her testimony in court.

"I couldn't believe it. I was stunned. I never knew the guy. I never saw him in my life and I told him, 'No, you **** yourself.' "

According to the court file, Mr. Smith folded his arms, rested his cane on one arm and said: "I have all day."

"So do I," responded Ms. Schaller. Then she warned him that she would break his glasses if he didn't move, according to court files. Mr. Smith was not deterred.

He said he tried to go around Ms. Schaller but she said she would teach him how to treat a lady and rammed her cane into his stomach. As he walked around her, Mr. Smith said Ms. Schaller whacked him with her cane. "That was it," he told the court, and he brought his cane down on her.

Ms. Schaller denied striking Mr. Smith and told the court that she had several bruises on her arm and back of her head as a result of his blows. It took her weeks to recover but there was no lasting damage, the court heard.

In a ruling made public this week, Judge Howard Borenstein, of the Ontario Court, sided with Ms. Schaller, but he didn't let her off the hook, calling her actions aggressive. "Despite her age, and her cane, she is not a shrinking violet," the judge said.

"I find that they were both hitting each other, probably without sufficient force to cause any injury at first. Then, Mr. Smith delivered the last shot -- the coup de grâce," the judge said. "Even if the two, by their conduct, could be said to have consented to this duel of canes, the last strike was so beyond the pale as to be beyond any consent."

The judge found Mr. Smith guilty, saying his blow was excessive and unnecessary. "Despite Mr. Smith's foot, he could have easily kept walking away at that point. In the result, Mr. Smith will be found guilty of assault with a weapon." He received a two-year suspended sentence.

Mr. Smith and his lawyer were unavailable for comment.

Ms. Schaller said she was pleased with the outcome. She said she never thought of suing Mr. Smith for damages. "I don't want the money," she said. "I want him to get punished for what he did."
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:eek: :D :laugh:

I can form of an image of two bitter oldies, throwing insults the hitting eachother with the canes...
And that picture is darn funny! :D

But seriously, assault with weapon? :eek:
I think both should have paid the medical costs of eachother, but leave it at that, since surely both were as quilty to the fighting...

This brought back a memory of old icehockey game in pc, where winner of fight got the bigger penalty... :D
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Kipi wrote: :eek: :D :laugh:

I can form of an image of two bitter oldies, throwing insults the hitting eachother with the canes...
And that picture is darn funny! :D
I know... It's the kind of thing you'd expect to see in one of those old black and white comedies like Laurel and Hardy, or maybe Charlie Chaplin :D
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dragon wench wrote:I know... It's the kind of thing you'd expect to see in one of those old black and white comedies like Laurel and Hardy, or maybe Charlie Chaplin :D
Yup! :D
Or, as my imagination just formed, two bitter oldies fighting with canes in Star Wars style... :eek: :D

Yes, my mind is bit strange tonight... :D

But to be serious for a moment, isn't it strange that it was turned to "assault with weapon" just because mr. Smith was able to walk away without the cane? I have experienced as well as many of my friends many such foot injuries where I could survive without cane and even walk, but the cane is easing my life... like the broken toe I had several months ago...
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Kipi wrote:Yup! :D
Or, as my imagination just formed, two bitter oldies fighting with canes in Star Wars style... :eek: :D

Yes, my mind is bit strange tonight... :D
LMAO! Or the canes could be decorated with old dentures at the hilt.... "Bite Sabres" :p
I am suddenly reminded of the NPC Morte in Planescape Torment.. along with a bit of BG2...
"With the addition of Illithium the dentures on the "Bite Sabre" will propel themselves toward an opponent and do 4D6 additional damage..." :D Sorry... couldn't help it... :o
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At one time this past year, the son-in-law and me both were on canes and got into a light saber type action going in the kitchen....:laugh:
of course with our luck, we only broke the sugar container. ;)
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Gee.....all this over a simple matter? :rolleyes: A simple solution (i.e. walk away) can avoid this situation altogether and yet, they chose to do it the hard way (up till the point of ending up in court).
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What saddens me is that a 52 years old man could do that to a 76 years old woman. No matter who started it, no matter how grumpy the woman was, I can't believe a man of 52 could do that to an old lady. I find that man disgusting.
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Gilliatt wrote:What saddens me is that a 52 years old man could do that to a 76 years old woman. No matter who started it, no matter how grumpy the woman was, I can't believe a man of 52 could do that to an old lady. I find that man disgusting.
Why? Is it because he's a man, and she's a woman? I know plenty of women who could put most of the men on this board in traction within 15 minutes. Is it because she's 76? I know people at 76 who are more physically fit than people half their age. If they were both being jerks, then the matter's a wash, since neither age nor sex should be used as a smokescreen for such actions.
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fable wrote:Why? Is it because he's a man, and she's a woman? I know plenty of women who could put most of the men on this board in traction within 15 minutes. Is it because she's 76? I know people at 76 who are more physically fit than people half their age. If they were both being jerks, then the matter's a wash, since neither age nor sex should be used as a smokescreen for such actions.
I also know some women who could beat up many men, since I had one in my martial art courses who could beat me up pretty easily. :D

But I don't think that a 76 years old woman with an artificial hip, severe arthritis, and that needs a cane to walk is physically fit.

Call me old-fashioned if you want, but I would not hit a woman or an old person unless my life is at risk. I see it as a matter of respect or of manner. If a lady or an elder was asking for trouble with me, I would tell them I'm not interested and leave.
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Gilliatt wrote:Call me old-fashioned if you want, but I would not hit a woman or an old person unless my life is at risk. I see it as a matter of respect or of manner. If a lady or an elder was asking for trouble with me, I would tell them I'm not interested and leave.
I'm admittedly provoking you a bit, and deliberately so. ;) That said, while I can understand the bit about not hitting an elderly person, why not hit a woman?
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fable wrote:I'm admittedly provoking you a bit, and deliberately so. ;)


Is that so? Is it something personal? Have you beaten up an old lady recently? :eek: ;) :D
That said, while I can understand the bit about not hitting an elderly person, why not hit a woman?
Well, I am a sexist and I admit it. I truly believe in the equality of each sex, but I don't believe in their similarity. I don't treat men and women exactly the same way.
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Gilliatt wrote:Is that so? Is it something personal? Have you beaten up an old lady recently? :eek: ;) :D
Not in the last few days, no. However, my fingers are beginning to twitch, so I suspect I will purchase some McDonalds hamburgers, walk through a Philadelphia park at night, and cram them down old ladies' throats. If the crumbs don't get them, the poison will.
Well, I am a sexist and I admit it. I truly believe in the equality of each sex, but I don't believe in their similarity. I don't treat men and women exactly the same way.
Above, you've explained that you're sexist, but you haven't explained why you won't hit a woman. Could you please elaborate on that point?
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fable wrote:Not in the last few days, no. However, my fingers are beginning to twitch, so I suspect I will purchase some McDonalds hamburgers, walk through a Philadelphia park at night, and cram them down old ladies' throats. If the crumbs don't get them, the poison will.
And I thought you were a nice person! :confused: Now I understand why they say you have to be careful with the people you meet on the net! ;)
Above, you've explained that you're sexist, but you haven't explained why you won't hit a woman. Could you please elaborate on that point?
I am not sure what you are looking for, but I would not be surprised that you want me to talk about sexual disparity and about how male homo sapiens are stronger than female homo sapiens. Well, this is true most of the time and it is probably the main reason why I think like this. (I want to point out that I am not a violent person and that I don't encourage fighting, period. But since many men love to show how strong they are, I won't be disgusted if two guys hit each other on mutual agreement as long as it is a fair fight and the winner stops hitting when the other one is knocked down. But as I said, I am old-fashioned: nowadays people fight with knives, canes, and guns, fair fights are seldom.)

In an other reply I talked about manner and respect. I believe men should respect women no matter what they look like or how strong they are. I am nice with girls no matter if I find them beautiful or ugly, so why should I be violent with stronger ladies when I am not with weaker ones? I respect them both and would not want to hurt either of them. After all, the goal of fighting is to hurt someone. Isn't it?
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Hmm, interesting. I guess I would hope that a 52 year old with only a foot injury would be a bit more considerate of a 76 year old with more severe physical limitations regardless of gender. Apparently expecting some people to behave maturely is another matter entirely... :rolleyes:
Walburga Schaller is 76 years old, blind in one eye, has an artificial hip and severe arthritis, and walks with a cane.


Mr. Smith, 52, was heading to a medical appointment and he was also walking with a cane because of a foot injury.
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Gilliatt wrote:But since many men love to show how strong they are, I won't be disgusted if two guys hit each other on mutual agreement as long as it is a fair fight and the winner stops hitting when the other one is knocked down. But as I said, I am old-fashioned: nowadays people fight with knives, canes, and guns, fair fights are seldom.)
Maybe it's just because I'm a city lad, but I can't recall ever seeing any guy trying to show off their strength. This seems a pretty extensive generalization.
In an other reply I talked about manner and respect. I believe men should respect women no matter what they look like or how strong they are.
So you keep saying--but again, with due respect, why? Why should men do this? Are you simply saying you were brought up to believe this, and that's that? Or is because you believe women are goddesses, and men are slime? If so, why do you believe this? I'm genuinely curious.
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fable wrote:Maybe it's just because I'm a city lad, but I can't recall ever seeing any guy trying to show off their strength. This seems a pretty extensive generalization.
Mmm, I wonder when was the last time you went to a bar or a pub. Fights happen pretty often there. (At least they used to, I have not been to that kind of places for about 3 years.) I also wonder if you ever played in an amateur and supposedly friendly hockey league and had someone break his stick on your head while you had your back turned. (The latter happened to me.)
So you keep saying--but again, with due respect, why? Why should men do this? Are you simply saying you were brought up to believe this, and that's that? Or is because you believe women are goddesses, and men are slime? If so, why do you believe this? I'm genuinely curious.
Once again I fail to see your goal, Fable. Disapproving men's violence against women is not an ill or an original thought. There are plenty of organizations helping women victims of conjugal violence and I am not the only person on this Earth who thinks they are doing something worthy. Why should I explain myself on something so obvious? Why should I explain why I find it disgusting to see a 52 years old man with an injured foot break his cane on a 76 years old women that is far from top shape? Do you find this kind of behaviour virtuous? If that's so, then I invite you to explain why.

(I never said women are godesses and men are slimes. If you read my other posts you will find that I once said that many women are shallow and focus on unimportant details, and also find that I don't approve it when people say all men are evil.)
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Violence is bad for several reasons. First of all it does nothing to remove the ill will you experience that led to the violence. The ill will causes you to suffer now and later. Now it feels a stress and later in similar conditions the ill will triggers again and you repeat the same negative pattern. Second by knee jerk acting on your impulse you have no chance to find a course of wisdom. Probably the ill will against your enemy will make you think for many cycles of such behavior that your problem is people rather than the true problem afflictive emotions founded on ignorance. Third if you are hostile to other people you will stir the ill will in them too. Because they suffer you will suffer too since you are near them and in fact are probably considered the target of their ill will.

You have a choice. You can struggle against yourself, against others, or against anger. The third choice is correct.

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Fable,
some men simply are respectful in this way toward women, I've encountered it myself. While my latent feminism sometimes twitches at it, it truly isn't all that big a deal to me. ;)
It's kind of like guys who open doors for women or pull out chairs.. Some women really object. I don't, and I actually feel sort of sorry for guys in that regard, because some women will become offended if a guy acts in this sort of a way while others expect it. It must be tough to know which approach to adopt at times.

Other things make me far angrier...
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dragon wench wrote:Fable,
some men simply are respectful in this way toward women, I've encountered it myself. While my latent feminism sometimes twitches at it, it truly isn't all that big a deal to me. ;)
It's kind of like guys who open doors for women or pull out chairs.. Some women really object. I don't, and I actually feel sort of sorry for guys in that regard, because some women will become offended if a guy acts in this sort of a way while others expect it. It must be tough to know which approach to adopt at times.

Other things make me far angrier...
Yes, I used to be quite mixed up about what I should do. I remember a girl who was extremely shocked when I offered her to lift a heavy box for her. Next time that happened I let another girl lift something she was barely able to lift and learned later that she was mad because I was sitting on my butt while she was exhausting herself. Then I decided to be myself and act like I feel I should instead of trying to guess what they would want me to do. BTW, I also often open doors for men and I have never seen a men offensed by it.
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