Celestial Fury - spoilerish

davfrahen · Post by **davfrahen** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:45 am

I`m using celestial fury for the first time and very impressive it is. I have just got to TOB. Is there anything that i can get to upgrade it?

kmonster · Post by **kmonster** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:49 am

No. (unless you mod your game)

Celacena · Post by **Celacena** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:53 am

If you use the search facility, you'll find some recent discussions on swords and particularly on CF, which has always been one of my favourites.

***** in katana

*** in one handed weapons

Celestial Fury

Nice!

Coot · Post by **Coot** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:36 am

I've used CF through ToB and it served me well to the end.

Klorox · Post by **Klorox** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:50 pm

I think Celestial Fury loses a lot in ToB. It's stunning effect is almost always saved against, and +3 weapons are so common it's really nothing special.

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:15 pm

My experience mirrors that of Klorox. They nerfed CF in ToB--deliberately, I suspect, to prevent you from relying upon tried-and-true methods (the easy way) of forging ahead.

Klorox · Post by **Klorox** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:46 pm

CF isn't nerfed, the baddies are just a lot tougher with much better saves.

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:15 pm

Klorox wrote:CF isn't nerfed, the baddies are just a lot tougher with much better saves.

A flamethrower that stood you well against humans is nerfed if you go up against flame demons.

CF is nerfed, because the enemies it deals with are no longer as easily bothered by it. Not changed, but no longer the powerful thing it once was.

davfrahen · Post by **davfrahen** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:32 am

This was the first time I`d used Celestial Fury (dualled with Crom Faeyr). I normally opt for FOA and had it in my bag. I was so impressed with Celestial Fury in SOA that I kept on using it all through TOB.
I had a really tough final battle with my party of three and forgot all about having the FOA.
I wont make that mistake again.

Coot · Post by **Coot** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:40 pm

Klorox wrote:I think Celestial Fury loses a lot in ToB. It's stunning effect is almost always saved against, and +3 weapons are so common it's really nothing special.

That's odd, I really remember using it a lot in ToB and my Blade did really well with it. Logic tells me you should be right though, so you probably are.

Sator · Post by **Sator** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:28 pm

Well, it's not that you can't use CF at all in ToB.. It's just that it: 1) Loses effectiveness due to being only a +3 weapon, and thus failing to hit the more powerful enemies the player encounters. 2) Is less powerful than almost all the weapons one can find in Watchers Keep, and especially than their upgraded versions.

In the end, it's a matter of personal choice - CF will not drag you down to hell by using it (it's not a +1 dagger after all), and is certainly a viable, if somewhat less powerful, option for ToB. I for one, want to try dual wielding CF and Hindo's Doom +4 with a pure Kensai who uses Yoshimo's portrait (he has 2 katanas strapped to his back) and just have fun roleplaying him

Celacena · Post by **Celacena** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:58 am

as I posted on BG2 forum - I accidentally obtained 2 CFs - because the enemies at the Slave Lord enclave duplicated themselves one on each floor - so having to beat them twice, I figured it was OK to keep both CFs. Valgyar is dual wielding 2 CFs - I would assume that a blade could have a bit of fun in such circumstances.

in SoA, Vally was hitting so hard and so often that he was sometimes stunning people with both CFs in the same round.

do blades get the offhand bonus for each of their 3 weapons?
e.g. str, immunity, attacks. if so - would it be possible to wield Blackrazor, Crom freyr and MoD/flail of ages +5 and get the bonuses for all?

Sator · Post by **Sator** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:47 am

Celacena i think that CF is looted from

Spoiler

the adventurers in the guarded compound in the temples district

. And not from the slavers in the slavers compound (the one that looks like a ship). Anyway that's the first time ever i heard of a duplicating enemy party.. But yes, no one is denying CF's power in SoA. In fact, it is the most powerfull one-handed weapon available in SoA and is right there at the top with Carsomyr. We were actually discussing it's decline in power/usefulness in ToB.

Celacena · Post by **Celacena** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:32 am

CF is most definitely looted from the Slavers Compound - (I specified it was on two floors) a thief called "Kette" is carrying it. The one-level ship-shaped Slaver base in the slums doesn't get you anything like as good treasure - there is a guy that stands to the right of the stairs who has moderate kit and the fight after the pens gets a bit of reasonable kit, but nothing like as good as the Compound in the Temple district. the armour and weapons that you loot in the compound, plus the good xp make it something worth doing as soon as you think that you have a chance.

I carried on using CF in TOB and apart from some 'bosses' who seemed to need the +4 Staff of Rhyn - as a general purpose weapon it was still useful - the stunning effect is not as good as the staff that you can pick up - which although the blurb claims not to work on large creatures, certainly does.
I suppose the Sword of the Mask makes CF not the best back-stabber, but for general purposes, I still find CF useful.

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:37 am

Celacena wrote:CF is most definitely looted from the Slavers Compound

You are both talking about the same place, just you are calling it the Slaver's Compound and Sator is calling it the Guarded Compound

Sator · Post by **Sator** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:07 pm

Yes yes, the mix up is probably because celacena is playing a non-english version of the game and is translating.. Really though, there is no evidence in BG2 that the people you slaughter (after barging in their home and ASKING for trouble when they show up with a warning) for the CF are anything more than a band of adventurers. Slavers? Not in my game

Anyway the best one-handed backstab weapon is Hindo's Doom + 4, and the best off-hand weapon to use with it is the Scarlet Ninja To. The best 2 handed backstab weapon is Staff of the Ram +6. Or that's what the number-crunching experts are saying at least (the latter don't include myself

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Coot · Post by **Coot** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:02 pm

Sator wrote:Really though, there is no evidence in BG2 that the people you slaughter (after barging in their home and ASKING for trouble when they show up with a warning) for the CF are anything more than a band of adventurers. Slavers? Not in my game

IIRC they're supposed to be slavers. They were intended to be slavers and part of Minsc's quest, which never got officially finished.

Sator · Post by **Sator** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:16 pm

Ah i didn't know that. I stand corrected.

But even if they were a group of nuns and kindergarten teachers, i think that almost everyone would go and find an excuse to kill them and get the CF

Celacena · Post by **Celacena** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:50 am

the non-English version?

luvva duck me old china, here in Blighty, we only get the jolly-old Queen's English version (although my ToSC expansion says it is Canadian and will not install, despite being bought all together with BG1, BG2 & ToB).

the Slavers quest is a bit annoying - you start it OK in the copper coronet, then go underground to the ship base and back to finish phase 1 of it - then, there are slaver ambushes and the compound - which are not keyed in to a plot-line. it is obvious that there was a bigger anti-slavery storyline and to my thinking, the compound should have been the end-game of that story - unless there is some mastermind even higher who you could confront (say in ToB?)

You do want CF though, so any excuse would do.

Hindo's Doom - I can't recall what category that is - is it a katana or not? I think my party picked it up in WK, but nobody is using it.

Sator · Post by **Sator** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:30 pm

Reunited with the hand of it's original owner, Hindo's Doom is a katana worthy of the greatest of samurai.

Special Abilities:
Cast Greater Restoration once/day.
10% magic resistance when equipped.
Immunity to all forms of death magic when equipped.

THAC0: +4 bonus
Damage: 1d10+4
Damage Type: Slashing
Weight: 2
Speed Factor: 0
Proficiency Type: Katana
Type: 1-Handed
Requires: 6 strength
Not Usable By:
Druid
Cleric
Mage

Straight out of my ToB end-game save

It's the best one-handed BS weapon because of it's enchantment, damage and speed factor. Although it's other bonuses are nifty as well. But i think i speak for the whole community when i say this: it's best advantage over all-other weapons in the game is . . . . . . . . the line Cespenar uses to acknowledge it in your backpack!