Greatest movie!... maybe 8-)

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 1:56 pm

@AJ It is a very arthouse movie, it is making statements, some of the films plot is hard to track, i also watched it late at night and i was also somewhat confused

THE JAKER · Post by **THE JAKER** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:21 pm

I've seen Clockwork Orange 10 times. I personally think it is a great movie. But I am a Kubrick fan. I think Clockwork Orange rewards multiple viewings. Like many of his films it is based on a novel. The novel is definitely worth reading, and helps with understanding the film (this is also true of 2001).

It's funny, because I read an interview with Stephen King where he said that "Christine" was the best movie adaptation of one of his books! Can you believe that? He must've had it in for Kubrick for messing around with the ending to "The Shining" so much

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:33 pm

Originally posted by THE JAKER:

It's funny, because I read an interview with Stephen King where he said that "Christine" was the best movie adaptation of one of his books! Can you believe that? He must've had it in for Kubrick for messing around with the ending to "The Shining" so much

Christine

i thought that was terrible.

The Shining bears almost no relevance to the book, but it is a truly fantastic film, best bit or me is the kid on the tricycle, i just love the sound effects, the tension that is built up in that scene is excellent. The film is also proof of how to make a simple idea into a complicated plot

Also jack nicholson is in one of his best roles ever, he is jsut the embodiment of malevolence

its those eyebrows

Personally i think The Shining is Kubriks finest hour.

@Jaker What did you think about Eyes Wide Shut?

THE JAKER · Post by **THE JAKER** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:57 pm

I didn't see it

I will probably watch it on DVD at some time. I was really sad when Kubrick passed away. I had heard for years that he was working on AI, and I was sorry he didn't get to make it himself. I didn't see it yet either, but I am not the biggest Spielberg fan and I fear it will be bad...

As far as Eyes Wide Shut, I like Nicole Kidman a lot (Dead Calm

). The movie got horrible reviews but I should have learned by now not to listen. It is based on a novel or short story, isn't it?

I guess I am a little scared to see it because I'm afraid it will be bad, but I bet when I do see it, i'll like it fine. I know at least that the cinematography, sound, and lighting will be stunning

Because Kubrick was the master.

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 3:07 pm

Originally posted by THE JAKER:
I didn't see it
but I am not the biggest Spielberg fan and I fear it will be bad...

The only senor spielberg(o

) film i ever liked was Schindlers List, that was excellent, especially the scene with the Red coat, that scene really blew me away.

I actually quite enjoyed Eyes Wide Shut, it is a bit too long, but it has merit. It plays out a lot like a documentary. There are some remarkably good visuals, i think the problem most people had was that it was quite free form, and it didn't really tell a story. It was mostly about characters. Watch it if you have a spare few hours.

As for Kubrik being the master, i am not so sure. He certainly was a master of his trade, but he didn't exactly do that many films, what he did was good, but he has a limited back catalogue to assess. (IMO) Now Hitch, that is a master

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 4:26 pm

A Clockwork Orange... the adaptation from the novel is interesting, because Kubrick cut the final chapter, which changes the message somewhat... That's why it built up such a cult following in Britain - there was a great deal of complaint about it being immoral, which led to Kubrick withdrawing it, it was only re-released in the last couple of years. However, both the book and the movie are excellent, IMO.

Eyes Wide Shut... now I thought this was pretty awful the first time I saw it, I think it suffered from all the hype. The second time I saw it wasn't quite so bad. It was very well-made, the cinematography is excellent, but I still think the script left something to be desired... The last line was particularly bad

It's my least favourite of the Kubrick movies I've seen. Haven't seen 2001 though...

Boys Don't Cry is an excellent movie, but I think it's the most harrowing film I've seen, hence my only having watched it once.

@Sleep what, you don't like ET?

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 5:19 pm

Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
@CE nice choices, you also have some brutal choices, On a clockwork orange and Once upon a Time in America, are not exactly easy films to watch.

Most of the films I picked are very unpleasant to watch, and pictures different kinds of violence in an "anti-glamouros" way. I don't really know why, but I like unpleasant films, they make me feel a lot. Sadly, I find most films very boring, and entertainment films like the standard Hollywood productions makes me fall asleep, as do "feelgood" movies. (Btw, what's the difference between "film" and "movie"?)
I guess I'm just a perverted mind

@Jaker and Sleep: Vertigo! I also like that film a lot, the tension and the atmosphere is great

@Georgi: LA Confidential was very good, I was surprised it was so good, since I expected that kind of novel to be very difficult to make a good film of.

I like Kubrik a lot, but I didn't like "Eyes wide shut" particularly. The scenography was nice, but the story really lacked.

@AJ: I interpret "A clockwork orange" as a future dystopi where sex, drugs and violence are just kicks to get out of an empty and meaningless life. It also puts up some interesting questions about human nature and the possibility to change it, about fate, justice, integrity and free will vs indoctrination/brain washing. It's a limit breaking and limit questioning story, so to speak.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 5:39 pm

Originally posted by C Elegans:
(Btw, what's the difference between "film" and "movie"?)

Very little

I haven't read LA Confidential yet, but I hear Ellroy's work is pretty difficult to film...

THE JAKER · Post by **THE JAKER** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 5:48 pm

FILM: A movie that is nominated for an Oscar

I had a film professor who was from Britain, and he would always talk about cinemAH. That's movies that don't make any money.

I though LA Confidential was a pretty good movie, but not nearly as good as the book. Of course, they would probably need to make a 10 hour miniseries to film the whole book. Also, in "The Ellroy Canon", LA Confidential is just part of a continuing story which is actually wrapped up in the NEXT book, "White Jazz". In the movie LA Confidential they truncate things that are really supposed to be resolved years later by other people.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:03 pm

Originally posted by THE JAKER:
FILM: A movie that is nominated for an Oscar

I had a film professor who was from Britain, and he would always talk about cinemAH. That's movies that don't make any money.

ROFL

How do you pronouce cinema then?

THE JAKER · Post by **THE JAKER** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:06 pm

I say cinema the same way, I think the difference is in where the accent is...This guy put the accent on the last syllable, I think I put it on the first syllable.

And it's not that I'm making fun of his accent, it's more that to him everything was "cinemAH", where to me its movies or flicks.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:12 pm

@JAKER and Georgi

Re LA Confidential: I agree that the book is much better, but as you say, impossible to make a film of since it contains both brigdes back to "Black Dahlia" and "Big Nowhere" and forward, to "White Jazz". I really like Ellroy, one of the very few thriller/crime novelists I like. You should read the whole tetralogy, Georgi, it's actually very good albeit somewhat wordy.

THE JAKER · Post by **THE JAKER** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:16 pm

and scary

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:21 pm

Very scary. One of my best friends quit to read Ellroy because it gave her horrible nightmares. And this gal is a forensic psycholgist, she's had patients who baked their spouses in the own and such!

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:25 pm

Originally posted by C Elegans:
@JAKER and Georgi

Re LA Confidential: I agree that the book is much better, but as you say, impossible to make a film of since it contains both brigdes back to "Black Dahlia" and "Big Nowhere" and forward, to "White Jazz". I really like Ellroy, one of the very few thriller/crime novelists I like. You should read the whole tetralogy, Georgi, it's actually very good albeit somewhat wordy.

I have a copy of LA Confidential, just haven't read it yet... if I like it, I probably will read the rest of them, thanks for the tip CE

@Jaker I think over here "cinema" is more commonly used, I mean I would say "I'm going to the cinema" rather than "going to the movies", or whatever

THE JAKER · Post by **THE JAKER** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:40 pm

Does anyone call it "cinny"?

I've found out that the Americans and British use the language differently...for instance I never understood this professor of mine when he would say "I have all of your corrected exams and final papers in my boot". I would wonder "why doesn't he get a briefcase or backpack", but then it turned out the papers were in his car!!!

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:47 pm

Originally posted by THE JAKER:
Does anyone call it "cinny"?

I've found out that the Americans and British use the language differently...for instance I never understood this professor of mine when he would say "I have all of your corrected exams and final papers in my boot". I would wonder "why doesn't he get a briefcase or backpack", but then it turned out the papers were in his car!!!

ROFLMAO

Did you get even more confused when you realised he wasn't wearing boots?

"Cinny"... nope, never heard that...

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:48 pm

I hope you like LA confidential Georgi

About AE and BE, sometimes it's a bit confusing for us non native English speakers. When I was younger I used to speak pure BE, to the extent that Brits thought I was English. Now, only Americans think I'm English

Over the last years, my accent has really deteriorated to an international mess. This is because I can't help imitating any accent I hear, and I worked with people from perhaps 30 different nationalities the last 4-5 years. Sharing room at the office with a very nice and talkative guy from Taiwan did wonders to my accent

THE JAKER · Post by **THE JAKER** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:51 pm

Anyway, I am american but i have spent a lot of time in Britain and the isles and also reading books by Brits and seeing British movies, so I have a pretty good grasp of the differences in language. I went to the cinema in London and saw "The Player" directed by Robert Altman.

Yanlee · Post by **Yanlee** » Thu Aug 30, 2001 7:10 pm

Some of my favourites include:

Clerks
Jacob's Ladder (the scariest movie I have seen

Apocalypse Now
Planet of the Apes (old version)
Full Metal Jacket
Clockwork Orange
Pulp Fiction
Silence of the Lambs
Spartacus