I think axes should be upgraded from 1d8 to 2d4 like Bastard swords. Since they have the same speeds.
I wouldn't mind seeing a couple more axes in the expansion either... having two mellee and two decent throwing axes just isn't enough dammit!
It would be nice if they had different bonuses etc... something to rival celestial fury would be nice.
And while I'm at it, why can't you dual weild throwing axes??? It only takes one hand to throw an axe!
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there is a link to all axes in the game.
[url="http://www.gamebanshee.com/baldursgateii/equipment/axes.php"]http://www.gamebanshee.com/baldursgateii/equipment/axes.php[/url]
And if you are to change the "sacred" AD&D 2nd edition rules, I am going to...err, pick up a Axe and going after you.
Spears were upgraded from 1d6 to 1d8 in IWD:HoW, so...
I know how of all the axes Drakron, it's just that I find that I always end up using FrostReaver and Stonefire all the time... they're the only two decent mellee axes... Just saying a couple more with different abilities would be a welcome addition to this adventurer
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Well there was also the Constitution bonus that we get after level 9 (that is wrong by the rules) in IWD.
There is a weapon, the blade of roses that behave like a Bastard sword in *d* departmant.
Most people dont use Axes (only one dwarf in the game), most use swords, that is why there are so few axes in the game.
There are only two good axes (frostreaver and firestone) and they are not THAT good compared to the other weapon classes. it's like one really good axe is missing.
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Without looking through the window, you may see the ways of heaven.
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AD&D, while the most popular system ('cause it was the first...) is certainly NOT flawless. MAny game systems reflect combat and weapons in a FAR superior manner.
Axes are one of the notoriously underappreciated weapons in the game system.
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Heh, well other systems emulated what AD&D accomplished and expanded upon that. However, back to my point, GURPS is IMHO far more superior and flexible with combat rules. There's an example.
Axes well it has to depend because there's a hatchet and then there's the cumbersome two-handed battle axe. Speed and damage will vary based on weight and handle of the weapon.
all in all i would dare say that staves and daggers are two of the most underapprecated weapons in rpgs: staves in the hands of a skilled user are extremly quick and deadly... capable of very rapid and sound strikes... D&D 3rd ed does slightly better with the introduction of double weapons but still
daggers are one of the(if not the) deadliest weapons in close range combat, easy to control and put even more strength behind their strikes because of them being mad for short range, on top of this quite a few of them could be thrown to strike at long range
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"Without going outside, you may know the whole world.
Without looking through the window, you may see the ways of heaven.
The farther you go, the less you know."
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stave would need to parry a little more, all in all it would still come down to skill of the warrior
dagger could still punch through, try putting as much force that you can put behind a dagger into a sword, also hard for swords to hit within the same range that you can get into with a dagger...
include into the mix that a warrior in full plate isn't all that fast, being hard to hit will count more, esp if you can keep behind or to the side of the oppionant and dance around them and upset thier balance pretty easy
all in all it still matters on skill, problem is that most often in D&D to fighters with identical level of skills in different weapon, many times it's the one with the largest DR with a decent speed will wine more times then not. All weapons have their str's and disadvantages, just that things like two-handed swords are simplier to impliment into the game
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The farther you go, the less you know."
--Lao Tsu
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Without looking through the window, you may see the ways of heaven.
The farther you go, the less you know."
--Lao Tsu
Yea, I know about Halberds, but it would be incredible to see dwarves with two handed battle axes!
Possible Damage of 2d5? Speed similar to 2 handed swords? Any suggestions?
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Here's a useless bit of trivia for you all. It is harder to role an eighton 2d4 than it is on 1d8. So, if you were going to upgrade axes to 2d4, you'd have to decide if you wanted it to be more likely that you would do 8 damage, or if you wanted to more consistantly do a damage between 4 and 6.
daggers are one of the(if not the) deadliest weapons in close range combat
Prehaps in a brawl, but if you have room to swing it's not. While it is indeed deadly for its size, you're forgetting length. You have to come in range to strike, so while good in a combat where you can strike from behind, when your opponent knows you're there you simply aren't going to get close enough. Try, and you'll feel the edge of their sword. Anyway, in close combat a Short Sword is the ultimate weapon, it is much better for thrusting and finding chinks than a Dagger.
AD&D, while the most popular system ('cause it was the first...) is certainly NOT flawless. MAny game systems reflect combat and weapons in a FAR superior manner.
And a far more complex manner, which defeats the point of what the developers are trying to achieve, which is an easily accessable game, which anyone can play.
Though I must say that I wouldn't mind some extra complexities.
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[This message has been edited by Quitch (edited 02-17-2001).]
Don't remember Third Edition rules but with thac) it was damn near impossible for a dagger to beat a man in full field or full plate unless you have a strength around Storm Giant level.
Of course in reality you can where you daggers could easily slip between plates. Foot soldiers would employ this during medieval warfare where knights after being knocked from their horses are helpless under the weight of their armor. They would simply pounce on them and drive their daggers home.
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About them dagger's, i agree with the fact that it's almost impossible to shove a dagger through a full plate mail, plus you better have damn good reflexes, since dagger's not really made for parrying a fast swing made by long sword.
