When Ordinators Attack! (possible sidequest spoilers)

Mordred · Post by **Mordred** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:25 pm

So I hunted down the Dunmer lady with a Dagoth dagger and killed her. Ordinator chief offers me a reward, I chose the Belt of the Armour of God instead of the Indoril helm and cuirass. I already had an almost complete Indoril armour, with only the cuirass missing. I thought, hey, why don't I just taunt the ordinator in Jobasha's shop and take his armour. So I taunted him, he attacked, I killed him and took his armour. No crime. I always wore a robe, and I didn't wear the helm while I was walking around Vivec. I checked if the Ordinators would attack me. I talked to some and aside from their usual rude demeanor, none attacked. I went back to Balmora to sell the parts of armour I didn't need and when I returned to Vivec for another mission, ordinators attacked me on sight! Does anybody know why this happened? I tried walking around naked, and they still attacked me. Does anyone know of a way I could go around Vivec without killing all the ordinators? I noticed one ordinator in a smith's shop in the foreign quarter didn't attack me.

Greg. · Post by **Greg.** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:54 pm

So you wore indoril armour under a robe? Still counts, I'm afraid...

Mordred · Post by **Mordred** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:40 pm

Greg. wrote:So you wore indoril armour under a robe? Still counts, I'm afraid...

I tried walking around Vivec without the Indoril armour and they still attacked me.

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:00 pm

From what I understand the Ordinators are sort of like the Borg... If you kill one it registers into their collective consciousness and they *all* end up knowing you've attacked one of their own.

I would suggest returning to an earlier save. There are ways you can acquire Ordinator armor quite legitimately. I can think of a couple of Imperial Legion quests that will provide you with at least one full set of the stuff... and there is also a Temple quest that will allow you to grab some. After that, providing you have not killed an Ordinator on your own provocation (taunting included), you should be able to wear the armor around Vivec, unless you actually speak to one of the "brethren." They must be short-sighted under those helmets or something... so much for "We're watching you scum."

FiresFriend64 · Post by **FiresFriend64** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:41 pm

nah, what happens is once an ordinator gets beat down, he tells his buddys on that canton... still cant go threw the arena, st. delyn or st. olms without them chasing me... and once they get pist at u, theyre pist for good

u could use chameleon, but ud need a good amount to walk around without sneaking, 60-70% probably would be good. im a fan of calm spells myself best to load up a save tho unless u dont mind 40-50 longblade xp per trip to vivec

Severion · Post by **Severion** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:53 am

I don't ever actually remember being foolish enough to take on an Ordinator head-on, even when my characters were kickass. >.> Something there just seemed to suggest to me that it was, all things said, a very bad life choice. I just ran them from them when they auto-aggroed me (i.e., on some story missions).

SPOILER

I found -MY- set of Indoril Armor during one of the mission where you're trying to make all of the Ashlanders name you the Nerevarine. You had to visit that castle-type thing and get the goblet, weepings and the other thing to prove that you were enough of a warrior to be a clanfriend.

Well, appearantly the Ordinators had tried to take the place themselves, and there are a few corpses there with full Indoril Armor, down to the shield. I only took a few bits though (IIRC, the Helm, gauntlets and the chestplate). But it was an entirely legitimate looting of the corpse of a holy warrior.

Also, there are a few other nice rare items you can at least fence there.

END SPOILERS

I figured out quick that if you have Indoril Armor, don't ask the Ordinators for help. Just don't talk to them and you don't have anything to worry about; but I've had a short of on-off experience with the whole Borg thing. I've once given a quick hit to one of the Ordinators, run off to another Canton where they don't bother attacking me, then ran off to a third Canton where the Ordinators in the plaza chase me down. Dunno why.

Mordred · Post by **Mordred** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:17 am

Hmm.. Alright, I guess I'm just gonna have to kill all ordies who attack me. It's a good way to boost my xp anyway. Thanks a lot, you guys.

Wait, I'm not gonna need them in the future, am I? Just in case I wipe them all out.

Severion · Post by **Severion** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:36 am

Nope, you don't need them. HOWEVER, there are quite a few of them in Vivec and they're nasty. You probably don't want to just run around antagonizing them, especially considering how difficult it might be to run some of the quests in Vivec with them aggroing you.

If you have a powerful character though, and you have no other recourse, feel free to start hunting them down. I have a special hatred for Ordinators, myself. :laugh:

AmpaSand · Post by **AmpaSand** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:47 am

No they are generated npcs. Like all guards they have one of about 5 codes and are ramdomly chosen.

About the armour. The helmet and curiass are sacred. Talking to an ordinater for anyreason while wearing one will cause ALL of them to attack you one at a time (for me any way) and nothing more can be done.

Severion · Post by **Severion** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:53 am

Really? So if you were to wear an entire suit of Indoril armor sans cuirass and helm, they wouldn't attack you?

mysticknight182 · Post by **mysticknight182** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:44 am

In my own gaming experience, the Ordinators will stop attacking on sight once you complete the main quest... even if you enter into dialogue with them. I found the same to be true with the High Ordinators with Her Hands armor in Mournhold.

Oh, and for those of you who hate Ordinators enough to hunt them down... try exterminating all of the named guards in the Ministry of Truth... good times there.

Magelord648 · Post by **Magelord648** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:22 am

AmpaSand wrote:No they are generated npcs. Like all guards they have one of about 5 codes and are ramdomly chosen.

They all have the same ID and are set to respawn. Like all guards. There is no need to have multiple codes.

Severion wrote:Really? So if you were to wear an entire suit of Indoril armor sans cuirass and helm, they wouldn't attack you?

Yep. The script is only attached to the cuirass and helm.

Mordred · Post by **Mordred** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:59 am

Great. Now I'm some kind of ordinator serial killer. I have this ritual after murdering an ordinator in which I leave his clothes and armour on the ground beside his body, in a specific order. Hehe. And I leave the torch near the head. I never dispose of the body. Hey, maybe this is why they attack me?

An off topic question, some veterans will probably think this is a stupid question but I'll ask it nonetheless. What's up with the binding spells? Bound cuirass, bound katana, etc. What happens when I activate it?

Greg. · Post by **Greg.** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:10 pm

Mordred wrote:I tried walking around Vivec without the Indoril armour and they still attacked me.

But you did it once? If so, without a mod/using the console (PC only) that's it for you...

And bound <item> gives you a weightless daedric item of that type - bound dagger gives you a weightless daedric dagger, for example.

AmpaSand · Post by **AmpaSand** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:16 pm

@ Magelord: So why do some guards have different faces and hair?

Magelord648 · Post by **Magelord648** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:44 pm

There are two types. Stationary and wandering and the rest are quest related.

This is coming off topic so if you still have a problem with it PM me.

Mordred · Post by **Mordred** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:16 am

Magelord648 wrote:There are two types. Stationary and wandering and the rest are quest related.

This is coming off topic so if you still have a problem with it PM me.

Go on. It's my thread. I'm listening.

nemesi609 · Post by **nemesi609** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:10 am

so they respawn?good, cus an awsome way to make money is
(spoiler????)

go to the cantana with the armor sales man, let the ordinators attack u, loot their armor, sell to the armor sales man right next door, and sleep for 24 hrs, then repeat. thats how i got my armor on xbox anyway, i just got my pc version when i bought an UBER new computer, and i am having trouble with some blood moon problem.. its in one of my posts if u can help... any who. its an awsome way to make tons of money, and i was never to strong, cant remember how strong, but i SLAUGHTERED so many ordinators easily with my uber strenghth and deadric sowrd that i found

SPOILER

at the dren plantantins(ithink) in a building some guy had it, and i was like.... i want that... MINE so i killed him and took this.. this was with in a coulple of hours of playing, got my self some guard armor, and got the sword. noone ever messed with my dark elf again lol