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If you're happy and you know it, bomb Iran (No Spam)

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I tend to distrust blogs, but this seemed just legitimate enough to be interesting:

Barnett R. Rubin]On September 7 wrote:White House officials said today that the administration was following a meticulously planned strategy to persuade the public, the Congress and the allies of the need to confront the threat from Saddam Hussein.

The rollout of the strategy this week, they said, was planned long before President Bush's vacation in Texas last month. It was not hastily concocted, they insisted, after some prominent Republicans began to raise doubts about moving against Mr. Hussein and administration officials made contradictory statements about the need for weapons inspectors in Iraq.

The White House decided, they said, that even with the appearance of disarray it was still more advantageous to wait until after Labor Day to kick off their plan.

''From a marketing point of view,'' said Andrew H. Card Jr., the White House chief of staff who is coordinating the effort, ''you don't introduce new products in August.''

A centerpiece of the strategy, White House officials said, is to use Mr. Bush's speech on Sept. 11 to help move Americans toward support of action against Iraq, which could come early next year.
This September 11, we will have the reports from General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, filtered through a White House drafted report.

I watched Vice-President Cheney's speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars on August 26, 2002, in the residence where I was staying in Kabul, Afghanistan. I heard Cheney deliver his famous falsehood:
The Iraqi regime has in fact been very busy enhancing its capabilities in the field of chemical and biological agents. And they continue to pursue the nuclear program they began so many years ago. These are not weapons for the purpose of defending Iraq; these are offensive weapons for the purpose of inflicting death on a massive scale, developed so that Saddam can hold the threat over the head of anyone he chooses, in his own region or beyond.
We know the results.

This year, on August 28, President Bush spoke to another veterans' group, the American Legion. He called Iran "the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism," whose "active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to put a region already known for instability and violence under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust." He concluded:
Iran's actions threaten the security of nations everywhere. And that is why the United States is rallying friends and allies around the world to isolate the regime, to impose economic sanctions. We will confront this danger before it is too late.
But this apparently is just test marketing, like Cheney's 2002 speech. After all "from a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August." Today I received a message from a friend who has excellent connections in Washington and whose information has often been prescient. According to this report, as in 2002, the rollout will start after Labor Day, with a big kickoff on September 11. My friend had spoken to someone in one of the leading neo-conservative institutions. He summarized what he was told this way:
They [the source's institution] have "instructions" (yes, that was the word used) from the Office of the Vice-President to roll out a campaign for war with Iran in the week after Labor Day; it will be coordinated with the American Enterprise Institute, the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly Standard, Commentary, Fox, and the usual suspects. It will be heavy sustained assault on the airwaves, designed to knock public sentiment into a position from which a war can be maintained. Evidently they don't think they'll ever get majority support for this--they want something like 35-40 percent support, which in their book is "plenty."
Of course I cannot verify this report. But besides all the other pieces of information about this circulating, I heard last week from a former U.S. government contractor. According to this friend, someone in the Department of Defense called, asking for cost estimates for a model for reconstruction in Asia. The former contractor finally concluded that the model was intended for Iran. This anecdote is also inconclusive, but it is consistent with the depth of planning that went into the reconstruction effort in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I hesitated before posting this. I don't want to spread alarmist rumors. I don't want to lessen the pressure on the Ahmadinejad government in Tehran. But there are too many signs of another irresponsible military adventure from the Cheney-Bush administration for me just to dismiss these reports. I am putting them into the public sphere in the hope of helping to mobilize opposition to a policy that would further doom the efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq and burden our country and the people of the Middle East with yet another unstoppable fountain of bloodshed.[/quote]

The author, Barnett R. Rubin, seems to be a credible foreign affairs expert and based on current White House rhetoric, I'm very ready to believe an armed conflict between the USA and Iran is imminent. With the Iranian Republican Guard now declared a terrorist group, I'm willing to bet Bush will argue he doesn't need congressional authorization, and though I'm in no doubt a new war will be hugely unpopular, I'm not convinced anyone cares anymore.
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War Companies and free market armies

Afghanistan, Iraq and now Iran pending marketization. It made me think of the war machine as some sort of company that needs to conquer not only foreign countries but also hearts and wallets at home...

Obviously, Afghanistan, though marketed as a threat to global security, later on proved to be a salvation mission; to liberate the people from the scum that is Al Quada. Thank you Uncle Sam.

And then later, when Iraq seemed to be a huge threat to the region and indeed the whole world with their dangerous mirage weapons, no other option was left but to invade. And who really cared about those weapons that didn't exist, when they managed to succeed at what it was all about: to topple the dictator's regime and free the people. Thank you again Uncle Sam! (The horrible civil war that followed was entirely unexpected. Not anyone's fault, especially not Cheney, who never predicted such a result back in 1994.)

But who pays for freeing all those poor souls? The American taxpayer, whether he or she agrees or not. And many people in America, at least those not numbed by apathy, incomprehensibly do not agree anymore.

The solution is simple: Privatize the war machine. That way it is no longer directly funded by the American taxpayer, and those who do wish to contribute should be able to do so in a fund, available to struggling War Companies, or to directly donate money to the War Companies that appeal most to these generous Americans (pleonasm). This way, it becomes interesting for War Companies to invest in popular wars, and along that line, to popularize wars that they wish to fight.

What the US needs to do then is set out zones where these private organizations can operate and who they can and cannot kill. Fines will be given to companies who kill individuals that are not on the black list. The organisations will mainly be payed by confiscating the defeated enemy's properties and assets, which they will be allowed to keep for a set amount of time or to sell them back to local initiatives directly.

Advantages besides the direct income from captured property come for example when corporate names invest in a war branch. For instance, if IBM invests in sending their war units to Iran, they can establish IBM warehouses and stores in conquered property, which is directly inside re-emerging or newly developing marketareas. Also, they get the opportunity to advertise their products on their tanks and soldiers, attaching their brand name to military victories and operations of liberation. Double plus good!

So, as you can understand, gigantic tax cuts can be made this way and it could even result in tax refunds or debt repayment when the war machine is sold to private companies. Nobody is forced to contribute to a war that doesn't concern them and the idealism of "Free Market" profits as well, with the monopoly of the US state gone.

It is clear to me: Flush the Army down (to) the War Companies!

On a serious note: Don't agree with any of the above, please. :rolleyes:
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Love the choice of title @Vicsun.
lythium wrote:Advantages besides the direct income from captured property come for example when corporate names invest in a war branch. For instance, if IBM invests in sending their war units to Iran, they can establish IBM warehouses and stores in conquered property, which is directly inside re-emerging or newly developing marketareas. Also, they get the opportunity to advertise their products on their tanks and soldiers, attaching their brand name to military victories and operations of liberation. Double plus good!
Ahem, it's 'liberated terrorist assets', mustn't be unpatriotic now...

Can't you just picture the ads?
"Fighting terrorists can be hard work sometimes, but, praise Jesus, it's good to know that when I'm done at the end of a hard day's work carpet-bombing downtown Tehran I can kick back with the satisfaction of a cool refreshing Coors and a Big Mac...Mmm, just like Momma used to make."
"Support the troops...drink Coke."

On a more serious note, (ignoring for the moment the whole Middle East=sorta volatile thing) just where are they planning on finding the troops for this latest little excursion? Aren't they stretched kinda thin already? :confused:
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While the IAEA urges restraint, France engages in saber rattling, and aspiring international lawyer and presidential hopeful, Mitt Romney, declares Ahmedinejad should be charged with genocide if he sets foot in the US, because while events transpiring of Darfur are cautiously labeled merely acts of genocide after years of tongue-twisting, idle gabbing by the Iranian head of state does meet the criteria. In the meantime, General Petraeus claims Iran is actively aiding the insurgency in Iraq, double-drumming the war drums.

If there actually is military action against Iran, the West's position as the Great Satan engaging in a crusade against Islam will finally be cemented in the eyes of Moslems worldwide, and any hope for the normalization of the region will have to be postponed a few decades (or a generation).

For added hilarity, I've attached a cover of the New York Post from a couple of years ago.

edit: does anyone here actually think military action against Iran would be a good idea? Can someone please defend this?
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Vicsun wrote:edit: does anyone here actually think military action against Iran would be a good idea? Can someone please defend this?
No, not yet. The 9/11 bandwagon has run out of fuel, it seems, so the terrorists will have to come up with a new strike to justify more war against them and the countries in the oil-area.
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I read somewhere that the US has bombed over 80 countries since WW2, while Iran hasn't attacked another country for 150 years. Of course, I don't know if those claims are true.

And after that, there was the usual "Who's the biggest danger, the US or Iran?" posts.
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Iran was quite peace lovin' before the revolution by the radical Islamites. The previous president was pro-Israel and had good ties with America and the UK, who helped him to attain that position. However, he refused to give BP (British Petroleum) a monopoly in his country, (Or at least a considerable share) . It is assumed by the usual conspects that the US and/or UK then incited revolutionary sentiments among the people against that president, along with other covert coupe actions. I don't know how much is true.
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lythium wrote:Iran was quite peace lovin' before the revolution by the radical Islamites. The previous president was pro-Israel and had good ties with America and the UK, who helped him to attain that position. However, he refused to give BP (British Petroleum) a monopoly in his country, (Or at least a considerable share) . It is assumed by the usual conspects that the US and/or UK then incited revolutionary sentiments among the people against that president, along with other covert coupe actions. I don't know how much is true.
While normally I view Wikipedia's informational content with a great deal of doubt, this is quite accurate.
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