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Silur wrote:I'm all against the brutal slaughter of millions of pine trees for the sake of an old ritual. That, and the horrific music created for the sole purpose of torturing innocent bystanders. I think there are subliminal messages in it as well to make you shop more.
I just had the miserable experience of hearing that music throughout an otherwise good meal--in our favorite Indian restaurant. :rolleyes: They came under new ownership about 6 months ago, and immediately tried to increase sales by suicidal means. First, the name of the place was changed to include Asia, and all references to India cut out; then they removed half the Indian items from the buffet, and threw in standard Chinese fare. Where of course, they were then in competition with hundreds of other local restaurants, because Chinese remains the most frequent foreign food category across the US.

We quit going for 2 months, and when we came back, they were delighted. (We were regulars for 3 years.) Heard from some of the non-management staff that carried over they'd lost a good half of their regular trade without picking anything up. Then about 6 weeks ago, they started removing pictures and statues of Rama, Ganesha, etc, leaving blank walls, and put up a table display of all the wines they carry. Real class, that.

Yesterday, though, they were playing a tape of the most white, blonde, cornfed choir that has ever existed, lethargically singing "Christmas favorites." But of course, everybody goes to Indian restaurants to be assaulted by Christmas pop hits, right? We all look forward to that music every hour of our waking days. Even my wife, who's used to ignoring stuff she doesn't like around her, was rolling her eyes and making comments.
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Magrus wrote: O.o He actually included the historic basis for Christmas from the non-Christian roots of the holiday. I am impressed. *claps* I think if more people were taught where Christmas came from truly, they would be less apt to rush to Wal-Mart and Radioshack and the like when preparing for the holiday. I got into an argument with my mother about Christmas and she flat out refused to hear that Christmas was anything but a tribute to Jesus. She hasn't been a practising Christian since the church refused to marry her and my father on account of my being concieved out of wedlock, but she still has the brain-washing intact. :rolleyes:

If people were taught where the holidays came from, and why, I think it would affect how they celebrated. In fact, if people were taught the origins of the religion they focus on it might help quite a bit with all of the things they have wrong, such as what is mentioned above. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part though. I'm non-materialistic and hate shopping, so it's easy for me to say that. :laugh:
But would they believe us? Well, there would be minority of Christians that haven't got that deep in religion and those could actually take heed of the truth, but there it would end. If we explain them the truly oring of holidays replaced by Church, there would have no Christian celebration days left. Every single one has originally been "heretic" holiday and were originally replaced by Church only to attract more followers. If we take their holidays away, what have we left to their religion? Hardly anything.

This doesn't mean I disagree with you. As long as everybody keeps their religion to themselves and with others who agree with their believes, it's fine to me why they celebrate. But when they are trying to force their religion to me, I get annoyed. Christmast is one good example of this. What has made me hate it besides the materialism is the fact that christians are trying to put their believes in my head. Intended or nod, they are doing it even with small gestures like putting Christianity -related decorations everywhere, with Christmas songs, most of them including angels, Jesus or God, and so on.

Someone could say at this point that "When living in Rome, do as the romans do". Yes, but if we have laws indicating that everybody has freedom to choose and practice any religion they wan't without being interrupted by other religions, I would expect that to happen also. Someone could as well state that it's only normal that Christianity is showed everywhere in Europe (not taking America account on this as I live myself in Europe) as they both have been together over 2000 years. This is partially true, as it has been Church and Europe that has "worked" together these 2000 years. The basics of Christianity has changed so many times during all these years that can we even talk about Christianity today? But that's totally different topic, and should not be covered here longer. My point is, There is no reason anyone would use to explain why I should been the target of Christianity and believings of those who belong to Church.


ps. No meant to offend anyone, just some of my opinions.
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Christmas used to be nice for me. I'd be at home with my parents, have nothing to do or worry about, just enjoy the season and the cold weather and relax.

Last year, I had what I always refer to as the 12-hour Christmas (not counting 8 hours of sleep, mind you). Last year and this year, I had a job at Christmas time, which keeps me busy and on my feet all day long until I'm too exhausted to move. The weather has been unseasonably warm, and this year it's even been wet as well (so it feels like summer rather than winter, or as close to winter as it ever got here). I had high hopes of quitting my job so I wouldn't have to have a repeat of last year, but I felt guilted into retaking my old job and now I feel guilty for trying to leave it, especially at their busiest time of year. I also have been getting easily angry lately, and today was certainly up there. So when I mother made some sarcastic remark to me in email over something, I almost replied with "F Christmas" and decided not to even go. But what makes my heart warm more than anything is the nativity scene, right in front of my store where my anti-Christian eyes have to see it, right in the middle of a predominantly-Jewish city. And it's even more heart-warming seeing the idiots clutching their Louis Vuitton purses and bags full of exorbitantly-high priced items (whose practical value is worthless), stopping to take a look at this plastic display, because you know that's exactly what Christmas is about: shopping. I even saw two girls dressed in saris yesterday posing in front of it so a guy could take their picture. Makes me sick. Every time I see the stupid thing, I wish I had matches on me; they cover the floor of the display with straw, and you know that thing would catch fire right quick. Seeing that display burn would certainly make Christmas brighter for me.
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Bah HUMBUG

Thank you Fable for this thread, I think deep down you've been waiting for my post. I know I was in your mind when you created this thread heheh....

First off lets start with what the Holiday's are really about. Family. The same constant thread (outside of commercialism) with most Celebrated Holiday's is the gathering of your first, second and third tier family members.

Secondly Holiday's like Christmas are known to cause what amongst many people? Stress. STRESS. Lots of stress. Have you gotten your shopping all done, do you need to get him/her a present, will you be having the dinner party or your brothers family, do you need to go to your parents and yoru girlfriends parents?, how much money can I spend without being able to pay rent. Where has all the time gone, etc. etc. etc. Stress. Sure the holiday mornings are great and all but you ask any woman who prepares days ahead for thanksgiving about how much effort and stress goes into a meal thats downed in less than an hour.

Those two things alone should be enough to take the "Holiday" Joy out of it. For you foriegners(muah) Holiday means vacation, in America Vacation means Vacation (and imho) Holiday means two things. Work off and Stress.

Their is only one holiday I enjoy and its Halloween. Sure Saint Paddy's is a great day but it also is surronded by expectation and stress, I could go into it. Halloween is a holiday your expected to hang out with your friends, no family (Screw the kids version of halloween im talking out of highschool halloween).

Anyhow back to christmas which is a joke upon itself, the celebration of Jesus's birthday on the wrong day. A Holiday created by non christians... and as fable has shown in another thread a disgusting showing of how much america will consume rahter than create.

I also hate my family for reasons I wont go into, lets just say that Family = Stress so, Christmas = Family + Stress and Family = Stress so..

Christmas = Family + 2(Stress) is greater or equal to my ability to remain sane.

To some christmas is a beautiful time of love and peace to others its just horse****. Really I understand how giving gifts and all this love and peace on earth nonsense looks on paper but reality is Christmas is just another time of year to consume, bitch and feel better about yourself.

Im spending my Christmas at a small bar, something preferably dive'sh, with people who also hate the holidays. Eat some Seared Ahi and drink gin and tonics.

Seriously why do we have to put one day aside of the year to give and to love.... if christmas is so great and special we should act like this all the time. Bah Humbug.
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Well worth the read, whether one agrees completely with the viewpoint presented, or not. Written in the last week by the Reverend Peter Laarman, of the United Church of Christ. Have fun:

He doesn't even cry. There's a clue. "Away in a manger the sweet baby wakes; the little Lord Jesus no crying He makes." No wonder women especially received Him with hosannas as the long-awaited Lord of Glory. Everyone should have such an agreeable boy child!

The Nativity narratives satisfy pretty much everyone: from haute bourgeois art lovers to homeless folk, unwed mothers, anxious dads, lovers of animals, even astrologers. They don't satisfy me, however, because in this culture they sweeten and sugarcoat a revolutionary message. Even the way heavenly portents are sugarcoated is problematic. Yes, peace on earth and divine goodwill to all persons of peace--but it's a peace with justice that is intended.

If it weren't for the buried justice message, I might be for chucking the whole thing. But the peace-with-justice angle seems to me worth clinging to and elaborating. Both Matthew and Luke give us a hint of that part. Matthew has the Star in the East bringing Mesopotamian magi to Bethlehem, while Luke has the skies ablaze with Heavenly Host proclaiming Gloria in excelcis deo! Both writers mean to create an anti-imperial counterpoint to the apotheosis of Caesar Augustus. Everybody in that early Roman imperial time understood that major astral portents accompanied the birth of Somebody Important. And everybody in Rome-immiserated Palestine also have understood the need for some powerful astral countersignifying, because while the Emperor Augustus brought a kind of peace it was hardly a peace with justice. So the portents invented by Matthew and Luke are plainly meant to suggest that this little baby boy will became the kind of peace-with-justice troublemaker that Jesus of Nazareth actually turned out to be.

Almost no American preachers will be taking the peace-with-justice angle in this year's Christmas sermons, however. There are two reasons for this. First, the Roman Empire ended up co-opting an insurgent Christianity in the early 4th century (a very long story--you might want to Google "Constantine" or ""James Carroll") so that Western Christianity itself became a mainly empire-affirming creed. Second, today's American preachers all live under a Roman-modeled American Empire and thus tend to accept its premises and pretenses with little or no dissent. In Bush's America it takes a gutsy preacher indeed to evoke the original context of oppressive empire for the birth of a messiah: literally, one who comes to rule in righteousness.

Everything spoken from our pulpits this year, as every year, is likely to be about stillness, beauty, heavenly joy descending, and (of course) a peaceable kingdom signified by the beasts that have gathered in a stable lowly, creating what would have been welcome animal heat for a very young unwed mom, the embarrassed father, and her haloed and hallowed baby boy. Only a cur would find want to take away the pleasures of these texts, images, and traditions.

Let me be that cur for just a moment. I don't think ethical Christianity would suffer greatly if the fairytale birth narratives were done away with. They are, after all, what grammarians would call "back-formations": stories added to round out the life of Jesus by people writing 60 to 100 years after his highly public death. The earliest gospel--Mark--omits any birth narrative and begins instead with a radical young rabbi embracing the outcasts. That is the major message, after all.

I do like Christmas music. I do like the posada tradition, I like the shepherds, the Three Kings, even those lowly beasts. All of it notwithstanding, I say away with the manger if it keeps people from growing up and seeing the grown-up Jesus in mortal conflict with Imperial Authority.

(And by the way, does anyone even know what a manger is? I do, but that's another story.)
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Amusing. And more to the point, rather true. After all, Jesus was a rather liberal person, yet somehow those who run around nowadays claiming to be good Christians tend to be quite a bit more conservative. And I learned years ago about how Christianity was adopted as the official religion in Europe simply on those grounds. Considering that modern-day Christanity would have most likely developed from that tradition, this does not at all surprise me. But it was amusing, as promised, and that's all that matters. :D

I quit my job today. I now have free time. Suddenly, Christmas isn't looking so blue. I'll have to go hunt down the "I Love the Holidays" thread now and regale you all with how much I'm going to enjoy this. :laugh:
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ok, well i DID post in the other forum about loving holidays, but now i hate them, my stepdad ruined christmas for me with his harrassment and threats, he isnt allowed in my house anymore since he pushed me into a wall today, and the cops removed him, i still have new years to look forward though...
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Time to push this sucker back to the top.

Last year, I told my wife that the princes of marketing were trying to push back the holiday (ie, buying) season as far as possible, and to make it last much longer. This year, for the first time, I found people in the US putting up their holiday decorations a week before Thanksgiving--in other words, in the middle of November.

I can't help but think that if they have any cash left over after King George has devastated the dollar, why not give some gifts to starving families? Or help rebuild villages for flood victims? Why buy tree lights, when you could help build a school for a kid in Rwanda? I know, I know, just bitter because I threw away my first billion on wine, women, and song, and have nothing to show for it but this teeshirt... :rolleyes:
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People waited until the week before Thanksgiving to put up decorations? They've been doing that for a while around here. Not that the stores help any; Christmas decorations start being put up for sale in August 'round here. Lights start getting strung up on houses as early as just after Halloween. My mother and I have joked for years that Christmas would one day be an all-year thing... Some jokes are scary when they start to come true. :eek:

The one thing I always hated about holidays--any holiday--is TV programming. Thanksgiving is the latest example. Why is it that special programming has to be aired for holidays? I can understand holiday-related shows, but why a week-long movie marathon? People spend most of their weeks colon-deep in their jobs, they miss their favorite shows (yes, that's what VCRs and TivOs and DVRs are for, but you know what I mean) and might want to relax and just watch what they have missed. So on a holiday, the channels do everything in their power to suppress their regularly-scheduled programming. It's stupid. And what happened to parades? The Macy's Day Parade is five minutes of parade and 2 hours and 55 minutes (is it really 3 hours? I stopped watching a few years ago, but my family still watches in hopes that the insanity will end) of idiots doing some stupid cheerleader routine. That's not a parade, damn it!

God I feel old.
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The thing I hate most is
Holiday mascots.


So, I just don't get it. Most of the holidays have happy mascots except Thanksgiving and Christmas, they lie. Dig it,

Easter= happy bunny, sometimes with a basket of eggs ( if you don't know why it's a bunny with eggs then thats sad, look it up, it would surprise you)

St. Patrick's Day= Leprechaun, usually in good cheer with that pot 'o gold (no wonder the world hates us and our President ( you have to respect the position not the man filling it)

Valentines Day= Cupid, The bringer of love, the marksman of the heart, the apple in every pedophiles eye (Cupid is another history lesson folks)

Now the big lies. Thanksgiving and Christmas.

Thanksgiving= turkey. Sometimes shown with a pilgrims hat collar and a blunderbuss......smiling like it has no clue its going to die. Or shown cooked and prepared. But never besides each other Happy turkey= dead turkey to be eaten. (come on man, That whole dinner with the Natives, Yeah hey white America wrote white happy lies)

Christmas, I know your expecting some big Anti-Christian thing on how Christmas is a lie. Nope, yes I can go on for days about the lies of our history and holidays but this is really what I love about Christmas.

Christmas= Angel smiling, or my favorite, singing with a big evergreen tree up its butt.

That and every year Christmas comes earlier. Used to be that day after birdday. I'm shootin for Labor Day- Christmas. Think cool in the summer.

The other thing I hate most. It's the only time of year when people can truly be decent to one another, without a tragedy bringing them together. Sadly there are those who still can't be decent. That sale is more important than common courtesy
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People waited until the week before Thanksgiving to put up decorations? They've been doing that for a while around here. Not that the stores help any; Christmas decorations start being put up for sale in August 'round here. Lights start getting strung up on houses as early as just after Halloween.
That's sad. Where is "here?"
The one thing I always hated about holidays--any holiday--is TV programming. Thanksgiving is the latest example. Why is it that special programming has to be aired for holidays?
This is an aspect of the holidays I'd completely forgotten about, since I gave up watching television 16 years ago. My wife still enjoys seeing "White Christmas" with Bing Crosby, at which point I always vanish in a cloud of sulfurous smoke.
I can understand holiday-related shows, but why a week-long movie marathon? People spend most of their weeks colon-deep in their jobs, they miss their favorite shows (yes, that's what VCRs and TivOs and DVRs are for, but you know what I mean) and might want to relax and just watch what they have missed. So on a holiday, the channels do everything in their power to suppress their regularly-scheduled programming. It's stupid. And what happened to parades? The Macy's Day Parade is five minutes of parade and 2 hours and 55 minutes (is it really 3 hours? I stopped watching a few years ago, but my family still watches in hopes that the insanity will end) of idiots doing some stupid cheerleader routine. That's not a parade, damn it!
I never understood the fascination with the Macy's Day Parade, but we had to watch it religiously when I was a kid, given that we were originally from NYC. I got bored within 5 minutes. And the endless commentaries, regurgitating non-talking points about the weather, the crowds, the smiling kids (usually accompanied by shots of kids milling around who are definitely not smiling), the old, uninteresting displays! The only good thing was if you were close enough to NYC to get in and check out Rockefeller Center at night, with an enormous lit up tree and its small but attractive skating rink--and the large electric train setup spanning all of Macy's block-long storefront windows.
The other thing I hate most. It's the only time of year when people can truly be decent to one another, without a tragedy bringing them together. Sadly there are those who still can't be decent. That sale is more important than common courtesy
From what I've seen, the holidays are also a There's a marvelous essay by Robert Benchley on that, "A Good Old-Fashioned Christmas," describing the holidays as a time of year for relatives who normally can't stand one another to get together to loathe one another. Sadly, nobody has copied it yet to the Web. As it's pretty long, I won't, either, though I may be inclined to put up a paragraph or two. Great stuff.

Meanwhile, here's a link to a short Stephen Leacock (fine Canadian humorist from the turn-of-the-20th-century) piece on Christmas. I love the ending. :D
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fable wrote:That's sad. Where is "here?"
Florida. If ever one needed proof of the insanity of Floridians... well, yes, there's a sea of proof, but Christmas decorations after Halloween is definitely a sizable drop in that sea.
I never understood the fascination with the Macy's Day Parade, but we had to watch it religiously when I was a kid, given that we were originally from NYC. I got bored within 5 minutes. And the endless commentaries, regurgitating non-talking points about the weather, the crowds, the smiling kids (usually accompanied by shots of kids milling around who are definitely not smiling), the old, uninteresting displays! The only good thing was if you were close enough to NYC to get in and check out Rockefeller Center at night, with an enormous lit up tree and its small but attractive skating rink--and the large electric train setup spanning all of Macy's block-long storefront windows.
I'm not sure I ever did, either. My mom watches it every year. When I was a kid and actually liked parades, I was kind of into it. But the older I got, the less I cared. Now, when I'm home for Thanksgiving and my mom has the TV on, I ask, "Why?" She winds up flipping between Macy's and a few other parades, hoping to see floats, but it hardly matters. It's all the same: uninteresting.
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Just found an interesting blog that isn't holiday-hating as such, but still exudes a nice, toasty smell of put-offishness. A few highlights:

IT’S NOT A STAGE SET, IT’S YOUR CREDIT SCORE. A mountain of presents spilling out from under the tree into the next room does look bountiful and marvelously excessive in a Ralph Lauren-y, Martha Stewart-y way. But you're not them. If a day’s worth of catalog-worthy snapshots leaves you with a dozen new and persistent phone buddies at a credit card call center in Bangalore, how attractive will that pile look come next September?...

IT SHOULDN’T BE THAT HARD. If you are flogging yourself because you can’t think of a single thing to get a particular person because you just don’t know what they like to do or what their hobbies are, maybe that’s a hint that you don’t need to get them anything. Every year, I wait in dread for the SBFA (somewhere-between-friend-and-acquaintance) to give me a Starbucks gift card. On a practical level, this person just loaned Starbucks money, interest free, until such time as I redeem the card...

I guess I'm looking for a sane place somewhere between Ebenezer Scrooge and Thomas Kincaid. If you think there's some merit in this approach, all my Christmas, Hanukkah, Winter Solstice, Kwanzaa celebrators, let’s try something. At some point over the next three weeks, each of us will be standing somewhere, holding a singing trout in one hand and a digital tire gauge in the other trying to remember if Great-Uncle Ted is still unaccounted for, list-wise. When the saleswoman rushes up to ask if you need something wrapped, I suggest you tell her, in a calm, clear and appropriately cheerful voice, “Thanks, but I have enough”.
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Just found this gift guide which should speak wonders to the true holiday spirit of this year. Note that everything linked in it is absolutely true. Enjoy; even as you turn green as your tree.
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Well, this is a new reason.

I love (real) Christmas trees. I dunno why, I just do. Last year, I went to an allergist for testing due to my desire to control my animal allergies (and my asthma), and i discovered I was allergic to quite a few things, including some trees from the north. What they were, I don't remember; I didn't pay attention, since they were in the north. So today while I was holding the tree up so the stand could be locked, my arms erupted in hives. :eek: First time this has ever happened; the tree is a darker green than we usually get (which I originally assumed was because it was more alive than most), so my guess is I'm allergic to this particular strain. Still, very unpleasant. :mad:

Oh, and still cheesy channel reprogramming for holidays. And crappy Christmas movies. We get it: the family gets reunited in the end, daddy saves Christmas, Santa delivers his presents in time, blah blah blah.
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Having lifelong asthma and allergies, I could hazard a guess your immune system was slowly becoming sensitized to other trees by repeated contact. That's why people who travel to escape their allergies usually end up temporarily improving, until the same basic class of allergic items causes new problems, when sensitization takes over.

Truly, I'm sympathetic, and I mean that without any cynicism whatever. Allergic reactions are no fun at all.

As for Christmas media, every store it seems wants to pump me full of the worst musical BS possible in the belief that I can't get enough of hearing Silver Bells or White Christmas or anything else upchuckable. As for the movies, well, I'd like a little reality Christmas programming with my wassail, if it isn't too much trouble. How about a Christmas special showing Senator Mitch McConnell dressed up in a Santa outfit, flying over Iraqi troops as he laughs at them and gives them the finger? Or Tiny Tim dying because Scrooge doesn't live there anymore, having gotten religion and become a bigtime televangelist for the Church of Christ the Banker? We've had quite enough fantasy entertainment in the Bush years to last a lifetime, thank you.
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fable wrote: if it isn't too much trouble. How about a Christmas special showing Senator Mitch McConnell dressed up in a Santa outfit, flying over Iraqi troops as he laughs at them and gives them the finger?

:laugh:... :D ...:laugh:
Now that is one Xmas Special I would watch.... :D :laugh: :D
BTW fable did you notice that the outgoing gov.(the one who pardoned his cronies before they were even indicted) almost set a record for pardons on his last day in office, also...:laugh:
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Re: tree allergies
My mother mentioned yesterday that while she was doing the lights, she broke out as well. I remember her telling me her dad was allergic to trees, but when I mentioned this she said it was oak trees. So maybe it is inherited; maybe it's something in the tree itself.

And speaking of the tree... It's been three years since I last helped decorate the tree. I was actually home for this one, but I went to work today. Come home, and the tree is all done. It's totally irrational, but I am so pissed off right now...
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Family and the maddening desire to explain the definitions of patricide. Also in no direct order...

1. Driving anywhere near a store selling goods.
2. The music... my god the music.... burn my ears and let them heal shut.
3. The noble thought of appeasing all who desire it and the quick understanding soon after of your inevitable failure.
4. Jolly Saint Nick. Sorry I just don't trust the guy.
5. More reasons for people to complain. Including myself.
6. For some reason the sad and lonely appear even more so at the broken bars that usually bring me pleasure of the body and mind.
7. I am usually one of those spoken about in #6
8. Family
9. The enjoyment i had as a child now to realize celebrating a holiday I have no belief in.
10. Other people, most likely you. (on a normal occasion this does not rank in my daily annoyances but for some reason upon the holidays everyone is supposed to be happy... in which I choose to go for the 180 flip and just be mean)
11. The cold
12. The sickness that comes with the cold
13. Family
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Exterminatus Now is sometimes too geeky for words, but when they hit, they hit solidly in the center. Try today's strip.
To the Righteous belong the fruits of violent victory. The rest of us will have to settle for warm friends, warm lovers, and a wink from a quietly supportive universe.
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