Which Should I Use? Spoilerish

davfrahen · Post by **davfrahen** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:15 am

I have a nice problem. My F/M/T has the following -
Crom Faeyr
Mace of Disruption 2
Celestial Fury
Flail of Ages
Silver Sword
Staff of Magi
Halberd+4Wave
Carsymyr+5
I`m just starting Watchers Keep and I intend to pick up Sarevok in TOB (I have that evil sword from the Underdark for him) and my only companion is Jahiera. She has the Staff of Arundel and has four stars in staffs, so I`m happy with her setup.
Which is the best choice of the above for my character?
He has UAI and 3 stars in longswords as well as one star in other categories.
What`s my best option?

kmonster · Post by **kmonster** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:05 pm

You should do WK after getting Sarevok since he only has 2,500,000 XP when he joins you.
It doesn't really matter which weapon you use, the game is easy enough either way.
So since you don't need to improve power why not use the Blade of Roses to improve your beauty ?

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:00 pm

It depends on what role you intend on playing. I almost always dualwield and use scimitars, especially those that grand a bonus attack per round.

However, from the items that you provided, only the Flail of Ages and Crom Fayer are truly worth bringing into ToB. Carsomyr isn't fast enough for my tastes and the only reason I'd use the Mace of Disruption is the protection, which you should already have through the Amulet of Power. Staff of the Magi is very useful if you plan on backstabbing and you can't deny the 25% vorpal hit of the Silver Sword.

I was under the impression that f/m/t multiclass was unable to have any more than TWO stars in a weapon style (with the exception of two weapon style).

davfrahen · Post by **davfrahen** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:52 pm

"I was under the impression that f/m/t multiclass was unable to have any more than TWO stars in a weapon style (with the exception of two weapon style).

No. He has three points and I`m fairly sure that at one stage I had the option to give make it four.

"You should do WK after getting Sarevok since he only has 2,500,000 XP when he joins you."

That`s a good tip. Thanks.

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:00 pm

You are probably running mods. No multiclass with fighter can take more than two points in any style, aside from two weapon style.

Elessar · Post by **Elessar** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:09 pm

Crenshinibon is right with regard to the weapons as well as the ability to put more than 2 stars for a multiclass (you definitely have to be running the mod that allows you to do so).
If you have Item Upgrade mod, I would strongly suggest Celestial fury + 5 in addition to FOA and Crom Feyr...

davfrahen · Post by **davfrahen** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:03 am

I don`t have any item upgrade, unless it`s part of `Ease of Use`.
I was surprised at the dismissal of Carsomyr. Whenever I`ve got it before, I had nobody capable of using it.
I`ve seen it listed on here from time to time as one of the best weapons in the game and a good reason to have Keldorn in the party.
I would have thought that with GWW it could do a lot of damage.
Can you backstab with it?

wise grimwald · Post by **wise grimwald** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:21 am

It is a two handed sword and therefore you cannot backstab with it. Also your weapons proficiencies are not in that type of sword. Both factors to bear in mind. The way to know whether you can backstab with a weapon is to look on the attributes and see if it can be used by a thief. If so, you can backstab. You can also backstab with your fists if so desired.

kmonster · Post by **kmonster** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:18 am

There's nothing wrong with Carsomyr, if you want to use it, use it. For backstabbing you can switch to longsword or quarterstaff.

davfrahen · Post by **davfrahen** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:06 am

` Also your weapons proficiencies are not in that type of sword. `

I thought UAI overcame that.

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:33 am

Well, you can use the item, sure, but you don't get the benefits of being proficient with the weapon, such as bonus damage, THAC0 and extra attacks.

Darkrhyno18 · Post by **Darkrhyno18** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:20 am

Isnt Carsomyr only useable by Paladins? Not sure how a F/M/T would even have the option to use it, unless I am missing something here...which I usually am :laugh:

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:05 pm

This thread really belongs in the ToB forum as the one that made the thread has the expansion installed. So, in ToB, thieves gain a high level ability to use any item (given that they meet the stat requirements). This ability lets them use Carsomyr.

kmonster · Post by **kmonster** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:09 pm

You should have at least ++ in a weapon type in order to use it effectively.

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:11 pm

Without buffs at least.

davfrahen · Post by **davfrahen** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:59 pm

"This thread really belongs in the ToB forum as the one that made the thread has the expansion installed. So, in ToB, thieves gain a high level ability to use any item (given that they meet the stat requirements). This ability lets them use Carsomyr."

Not so. There are two characters in my party and they are both getting HLA in the Underdark.
I`m not using buffs - the only mod I have is Weimers Ease.
I got UAI just after leaving the underdark, so I don`t understand the above coment.

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:36 pm

The high level abilities are provided by the Throne of Bhaal expansion. While you may still be in SoA, the discussion itself should be in ToB due to the abilities, which play a big part.

davfrahen · Post by **davfrahen** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:48 am

With a small party, you get the HLA much earlier - ie in SOA. Given that that is a fact, why on earth should questions about weapons obtainable in SOA be answered in the TOB forum. More to the point - why are you being so pedantic?

"You should have at least ++ in a weapon type in order to use it effectively."

My F/M/T finished of the dragon in Sudenassalar, on his own, with two GW and Carsomyr.
He has no stars with that weapon.
As I said, just UAI.
You seem to be thinking that UAI is pointless, if you think two stars are needed for any weapon.

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:01 am

Oh no, UAI isn't pointless. Far from it. Perhaps THE best HLA available. It's just that it would be much more effective if you DID have two points in two handed sword.

You had GWW to cover your slow attack speed and probably a strength girdle as well as Carsomyr's enchantent to cover for the reduced THAC0.

davfrahen · Post by **davfrahen** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:02 am

I`m sorry - you`ve lost me there. I`ve never played a thief before but if I had two stars in a weapon, how would UAI help?