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Darkpoet · Post by **Darkpoet** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:46 am

Originally posted by Waverly:
@Flagg: maybe I spoke to soon

Are you saying that the pyrimids took some 'special' technology to build? Now you have lost the plot

We have this notion that if we can't lift a block with a huge crane it is unliftable...Bullsh!t....an earthen ramp and 1000 strong backs is a more robust approach despite this bias.

Signs that earthen ramps were indeed used have been uncovered.

Don't forget the whip and rod. To keep those strong backs moving.

Chrissy · Post by **Chrissy** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:48 am

Minerva: Okay, and how about the Aztecs... didn't they build pyramids too? (sometimes I wish I knew a lot more about stuff like this, actually, I wish I knew more about stuff like this all the time

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Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:48 am

Originally posted by Flagg:
I agree with you on this. But take a look at the Southern America ones. THere the stones are cut and placed in such a fashion that a paper can't fit in between. We are not capable of cutting stone in such a manor without laser. How did they do this? How were the Egyptians capable of placing the pyramids precisely in the right location? There are of course numerous of other questions.

This 'paper can't fit' analogy is overdone. Have you seen them? It is not true.

Also: what we forget is the ancient man may have been willing to shape a block for 200 man hours by hand- we find it unfathomable and dismiss it out of hand.

Minerva · Post by **Minerva** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:48 am

Originally posted by Flagg:
I agree with you on this. But take a look at the Southern America ones. THere the stones are cut and placed in such a fashion that a paper can't fit in between. We are not capable of cutting stone in such a manor without laser. How did they do this? How were the Egyptians capable of placing the pyramids precisely in the right location? There are of course numerous of other questions.

Strong belief in their gods, I think...

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:50 am

Minerva! help me here

Tell them there is no mystical trick to pyramid building...

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:50 am

Originally posted by Minerva:
Strong belief in their gods, I think...

Where their gods fiction or is Stargate closer to the truth??

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:53 am

Originally posted by Flagg:
Where their gods fiction or is Stargate closer to the truth??

We are not on the same page...
You filthy VonDanikenite

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:53 am

Originally posted by Waverly:

This 'paper can't fit' analogy is overdone. Have you seen them? It is not true.

Also: what we forget is the ancient man may have been willing to shape a block for 200 man hours by hand- we find it unfathomable and dismiss it out of hand.

I agree with you on this. But you have to admit that there are a lot of questions concerning the pyramids. Why have all been build in the same time period? With the same purpose? (Egyptian and others around the world)

@Chrissy, Magic word here is: Discovery Channel.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:55 am

Firstly - don't laugh at me

Second - I don't belive aliens build them (I generally don't belive in aliens

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But I don't belive the Egyptian culture as we think they were build them.

I belive that there was a highlevel culture (I usually use Atlantis - but this generally turns people off - so I'll just say a culture) that build these pyramids.
Why.
Well, for starters we can build the pyramid with todays technology - but we can't build everything inside the pyramids (like the stonetombs - they are to smooth for us to be able to grind them out).
Secondly because of the location.
The pyramids are placed like the starsign of Orion belt like it was about 10.000 BC (5000 years before they where built).
Secondly the Sphinx also plays in - the sphinx is also build in a way signifying the year 10.000 BC (something about the year of the zodiac Leo) and furthermore - there is corrosion on the sphinx that indicated rainfall (again 10.000 BC). There are other geographical indicators - which I just can't remember yet.
Besides the current face of the sphinx (I use current - because again there are some proof of the current face not being original - mainly because to proportions)
does not look like the Pharaoh that it is supposed to look like.
But also there are pyramids all over the world (not exactly like the Giza pyramids - but still) - who can several cultures all build pyramids??
Furthermore - there are some proof that indicates some kind of "meeting" between the Mayan culture and the African culture - because on some Mayan relief there are African people.

I think there has been a advance culture around 10.000 BC (Atlantis) that have had influence in all these cultures (Mayan, Egyptians etc) and maybe had some knowledge that made it possible to create wonders like the sphinx and pyramids.

One final thing - it is very weird that Egyptians, that recorded most everything of there culture on scrolls and insides the pyramids on hieroglyphs have made no records on the building of these wonders - strange

Oh well - I don't now but I wonder (

hah - a pun

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Darkpoet · Post by **Darkpoet** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:55 am

If you get History and The Learning Channel also have really good information.

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:55 am

Originally posted by Flagg:

I agree with you on this. But you have to admit that there are a lot of questions concerning the pyramids. Why have all been build in the same time period? With the same purpose? (Egyptian and others around the world)

Questions? Sure. There are many...but we don't have to look for new age answers to find them. Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:56 am

Originally posted by Waverly:
We are not on the same page...
You filthy VonDanikenite

Look I am not saying that I believe this, but I am just bringing up viewpoints.

Chrissy · Post by **Chrissy** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:57 am

Flagg: Discovery? That explains your way of looking at the pyramids.
I do know a bit about this, but I can't put it down right in English... I know a bit more about the egyptian gods than about the pyramids themseles, but I think the pyramids were built by good architects with a whole lotta slaves at their disposal... the question for me is... why build something that big and 'useless'?

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:58 am

Originally posted by Waverly:
Originally posted by Flagg:
Questions? Sure. There are many...but we don't have to look for new age answers to find them. Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

Is this the theorem that states that the most simple solution is often the correct - or is it another??

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:59 am

Originally posted by Xandax:
Is this the theorem that states that the most simple solution is often the correct - or is it another??

Yes it is

@Chrissy: we even know who the architect was: Imhotep

Darkpoet · Post by **Darkpoet** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:59 am

Originally posted by Chrissy:
Flagg: Discovery? That explains your way of looking at the pyramids.
I do know a bit about this, but I can't put it down right in English... I know a bit more about the egyptian gods than about the pyramids themseles, but I think the pyramids were built by good architects with a whole lotta slaves at their disposal... the question for me is... why build something that big and 'useless'?

So it could be seen?????

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:59 am

@Waverly, what is Occam's Razor??

@Xandax, I have talked to more people that support your theory. The question would be: What happened to them?

Minerva · Post by **Minerva** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 12:00 pm

@Chrissy: It is true, they have.

Pyramids are based on very scientific plans and now, it is possible to explain in our science terms (don't ask me to do that). Physics, astrology, astoronomy, math, etc. How they got those knowledge itself is unknown. They might be more intelligent than us living now.

Yet we cannot ignore their strong belief in gods. The rulers can always move mass people with the name of gods, which is any ancient civilisations. I think why we cannot build the pyramid is the fact we don't have strong connection with our god/s as the Egyptians did. After all, we don't need to build one to show off our power given by god/s anymore.

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 12:03 pm

@Minerva: The belief in gods and a semi-devine ruler certainly come into play. The unions would never allow me to work 10,000 men to exhaustion building a pyramid in my back yard

But ask ancient men to do it in the name of Ra...

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Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 12:04 pm

Originally posted by Flagg:

@Xandax, I have talked to more people that support your theory. The question would be: What happened to them?

Well according to Plato and other theories a possibility is a natural disaster - properly like the eruption of the volcano on Thera.

There seems to be a general acceptance to that a possible Atlantis exited not it the Atlantic but in the Mediterranean