Good, Bad, & Ugly of the USA(SPAM if you like)

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Tue May 07, 2002 8:08 am

@C Elegans. I love the way you can swich effortlessly between serious scientific and ethical debate to comment on my banalities.

You're an impressive lady. Ever thought about getting a divorce/separation?

I don't have much to offer except a whole lot of lovin'.

(That'd be one scary-@$$ road movie

).

frogus · Post by **frogus** » Tue May 07, 2002 9:18 am

Originally posted by Gruntboy
I don't have much to offer except a whole lot of lovin'.

LMAO! I am saving this in a word document to be quoted and misquoted again and again in the future.

AT EASE, men!

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Tue May 07, 2002 9:20 am

Like that scares me, coming from you.

Just more of me to love, baby.

You can be my right hand man Frogus.

I said *right* hand!!!

frogus · Post by **frogus** » Tue May 07, 2002 9:26 am

You can be my right hand man Frogus.

An offer I find strangely easy to refuse.

I said *right* hand!!!

*holds hands above table* That was Ysh, lurking under the table. Yeah, she keeps doing it to me too...

*slaps Ysh's wrist* down!

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Tue May 07, 2002 4:31 pm

Originally posted by C Elegans

I agree, I think van Cleef is the good and Clint is the bad.

A debate to continue, In one version of the film, I believe they have writing that comes up and tells which is which.

Now for my reasoning

van Cleef is the warden of a CSA prison camp and he has his goons beat the prisoners up, not something I would can being good. Most of the famous Lawmen of the West where not good.

Clint's most evil thing, saving UGLY from the rope, a complete setup to get money. Not really a good person either, but compared to beating people, the lesser of two evils.

der Moench · Post by **der Moench** » Tue May 07, 2002 4:45 pm

I don't know how you people can mix these movies up! These are classics, people!! I own all three of the "classic" spaghetti westerns (The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly; A Fist Full of Dollars; and, For a Few Dollars More) on DVD, and love watching them. Take my opinion, then, as expert: in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: Clint is the Good, van Cleef is the Bad, and Aldo Giuffre is the Ugly.

I think Weasel is right: you are (maybe) thinking of the other Eastwood/van Cleef western called For a Few Dollars More. In that movie, van Cleef and Eastwood are both good guys, and the bad guy is another actor named Gian Maria Volonte. Vollonte was also the bad guy in A Fist Full of Dollars.

Hi Weasel!

Robnark · Post by **Robnark** » Tue May 07, 2002 4:53 pm

well, Van Cleef does have that whole two sided thingy going on (sadistic psycho lawman), while clint's the bandit, HOWEVER, i ask you which is a more likeable character - the sadistic Van Cleef or the opportunistic bandit clint (whose only crime with the hanging shenanigans is theft)?

clint's the good 'un cos he's an honest criminal

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Tue May 07, 2002 4:57 pm

Hey der Moench, I haven't seen you around lately, (might be, I haven't been around lately

I can't remember all the actors, mainly because most played in all of them. I still remember parts though. The Good, Bad and the Ugly I believe sticks out from the rest just because of the music. I can still hear the errrrrr errrrrr orrrrrr in my head to this day.

Eli Wallach? He wasn't the Ugly? I know the one who played Ugly was in at least one more with Clint, might even be more.

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Tue May 07, 2002 5:01 pm

Originally posted by Robnark
HOWEVER, i ask you which is a more likeable character - the sadistic Van Cleef or the opportunistic bandit clint (whose only crime with the hanging shenanigans is theft)?

NO don't ask me this!! My sadistic side is coming to life!! Hide the sheep!! Darth Weasel is on the loose!!

der Moench · Post by **der Moench** » Tue May 07, 2002 5:19 pm

I am so-o-o-o-o embarassed

Weasel! My apologies. Eli Wallach is right as the ugly (named Tuco in the film). I was reading the names down a list, and got my lines mixed.

I haven't been around. School.

Gotta go now.

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Tue May 07, 2002 5:42 pm

der Moench, no need to apologize. I was mainly basing it on Grunty's post. I can't remember names to well..(names 15 years ago that is) and just want to be sure.

School, the gateway to a better life. Boring sometimes, but in the end it will pay off. Look at it this way and time will fly.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Tue May 07, 2002 6:24 pm

Originally posted by Gruntboy
@C Elegans. I love the way you can swich effortlessly between serious scientific and ethical debate to comment on my banalities.

You're an impressive lady. Ever thought about getting a divorce/separation? I don't have much to offer except a whole lot of lovin'.

(That'd be one scary-@$$ road movie ).

Thanks sweetie

Unfortunately I don't consider a divorce, not even as a sacrifice to art. But I agree it'd be a great road move

Frogus would make a nice part, he'd been your right hand and the only reference to a sane and reasonable world - and haflway into the movie, we could sell him to a pedophil to get money to buy a new car instead of the one we wrecked.

Re The good, the bad and the ugly, I view it like this: In Leone's spaghetti westerns, Clint plays the role of the "nameless avenger", he symbolises justice in the form of revenge, but not goodness. On the contrary, I think Leone illustrates the idea that "goodness" is not necessariy equal to justice - Clint is bad, but bad in a "just" way. So in "The good...etc" I think van Cleef is representing the good, the good as in "law and order" good in a "socially acceptable way", whereas Clint is bad - but he is more just than van Cleef but in a less socially acceptable way.