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Originally posted by fable
A nice blanket, a warm fireplace, a jug of wine and a woman can usually take care of that. :)


Well, I'm 19, so the wine is the only thing that I couldn't do. Would, say, a mug of hot cocoa suffice? Otherwise, I can say that you just about got me chuckling. :D
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Originally posted by Georgi
No! Not the C-word!! :eek: *looks around furtively* It's ok, I don't think Aegis has seen it... :D
C is for Cookie, that's good enough for me!

hehe... I was unfortuneate enough to be in the area of North America that suffered from the power outage... I'm back now though. :D
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Originally posted by Aegis
C is for Cookie, that's good enough for me!

hehe... I was unfortuneate enough to be in the area of North America that suffered from the power outage... I'm back now though. :D


Well, good to hear you're okay.

Oh, and happy 10,000th post, Aegis.

*grabs a noisemaker, which pops apart when he uses it* :( Foooorrrr he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good felloooooooow... that nobody can deny! :D
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Originally posted by Galuf the Dwarf
Well, good to hear you're okay.

Oh, and happy 10,000th post, Aegis.

*grabs a noisemaker, which pops apart when he uses it* :( Foooorrrr he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good felloooooooow... that nobody can deny! :D


I'm pretty sure some of us can deny it :D
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Damn... People noticed...
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Actually, I was waiting for 10,005. So congratulations. ;)
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Congrats Aegis ;)
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*Must find threads of mine to delete... Preferable ones with many posts from BS... * :D
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Oh yeah, I just realized I forgot to mention some things, so I thought I'd try to breathe some new life into this thread.

My favorite parts of games are:

RPGs:
- Interesting characters/interaction
- Treasure (mainly items that have good uses, though not ultra-powerful; also include varieties of equipment)
- Magic (spells that have cool effects, not as much visually as in physically to targets)
- Good gameplay (decent challenge, fun parts of plot & side areas; would've wished to actually see Frost Giants in IWD2)
- Decent story/plot (The idea of one's lineage being their destiny almost sounds like it's being overused)
- Interesting character generation (I like to see some character changes at times)
- A lengthy plot (If Black Isle is to make another game with the Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale 2 game engines, let the chapters be longer and with more interesting quests, PLEASE!!)
- Multiple uses for character skills (let them all play into various challenges, and really make the gameplay vary)

Strategies/Empire-Builders:
- Good use of resources for builder/strategy games (I like to harvest things like gold, stone, wood, etc.)
- Different strategies for multiple situations
- More than two sides for RTS games (that's why I liked StarCraft and WarCraft III)
- Let every unit in an RTS have a good use at every playing level, yet give them a downside that made you really have to plan things well

That's about all I can think of for now.
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Originally posted by Galuf the Dwarf
Oh yeah, I just realized I forgot to mention some things, so I thought I'd try to breathe some new life into this thread.

My favorite parts of games are:

RPGs:
- Interesting characters/interaction
- Treasure (mainly items that have good uses, though not ultra-powerful; also include varieties of equipment)
- Magic (spells that have cool effects, not as much visually as in physically to targets)
- Good gameplay (decent challenge, fun parts of plot & side areas; would've wished to actually see Frost Giants in IWD2)
- Decent story/plot (The idea of one's lineage being their destiny almost sounds like it's being overused)
- Interesting character generation (I like to see some character changes at times)
- A lengthy plot (If Black Isle is to make another game with the Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale 2 game engines, let the chapters be longer and with more interesting quests, PLEASE!!)
- Multiple uses for character skills (let them all play into various challenges, and really make the gameplay vary)

That's about all I can think of for now.


I will be one to say, as many others, you do NOT need to be a star wars fan to enjoy kotor. you might complain later on that its too easy, if you go certain routes, but thats about it :D

why preach KOTOR?

-its got interesting characters, and even interesting interaction with the other characters, like BG2 had.

-its got treasures. You can veer towards light or darkness, and gain some treasures for those specific. Also droid killing treasure, armor with different traits for soldiers, and other useful weaponry with different uses (stuns, deflect, extra damage, extra critical help, etc)

-its got spells. well Force powers anyways, but the same thing. You can stun your opponent, and in later levels, you can stun multiple opponents. the light side gets droid killing powers, while the dark will choke or release lightning.

-one you start playing, it gets addicting. yes I said you might complain of being easy, but there are a few challenges, like for the last boss, dont do anything to hinder his special ability, and your in for a very long fight. also try not being a soldier/guardian, and instead go rogue (scoundrel)/ Consular to make it a lil more challenging, as you dont have suberb fighting skills as a soldier/guardian does. some of the side games can be fun too.

-story/plot, sure you past is fixed, but your future is your own. do you save the galaxy, or become its emporer? only you decide, depending on your attitude. join the light or the darkness.

-character generation. well the characters that join with you wont change much, but you can pick between soldier, scoundrel (rogue type), or scout (inbetween soldier and scoundrel), then later on you become jedi and pick which of the 3 jedi types you want, guardian (soldier type), consular (more force power, less fight power), and sentinel (inbetween the 2). Im afraid thats all the choices you get, but can still make the game interesting if you try to get original.

-as for your last 2 characteristics, cant say much for this game, kotor is shorter than bg2, sadly. but I did fill in the rest of the characteristics you hope to look for :D

as for getting an Xbox, sure with kotor you can wait for the PC version, but another good looking RPG is coming to Xbox, game called Fable (no, not the moderator). Also in this one you can follow good or evil, but your looks actually change to reflect how you act, as what is told byt he makers of this game. It looks like one to watch in the future.
Originally posted by Galuf the Dwarf
Strategies/Empire-Builders:
- Good use of resources for builder/strategy games (I like to harvest things like gold, stone, wood, etc.)
- Different strategies for multiple situations
- More than two sides for RTS games (that's why I liked StarCraft and WarCraft III)
- Let every unit in an RTS have a good use at every playing level, yet give them a downside that made you really have to plan things well

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as for strategy games now. I will give mention to 4 of my favorite, but unpopular strategy games.

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Majesty, a Fantasy Kingdom-building Sim. You are the king, and its your job to build your kingdom. build the heros you want. although you dont have direct control of your heroes, giving out rewards can hopefully be persuasive in them doing what you want. put 1000 gold on a dark castle, and watch half your heroes instantly run over to destroy.

ahh, but how do you get money? you collect taxes, and you gain more taxes by providing for your heroes. they need weapons and armor, so build a blacksmith. wizards need more spells, so build a library. build a marketplace, so your heroes can buy rings and healing potions. and dont forget to build gnome hovels to hire gnomes to help build your buildings, always helps :D

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Sacrifice, a 3d RTS game. 5 different factions, but you can build them anyway you please. what do I mean? Follow the Earth God (an earthworm jim lookalike) for a few levels, get his earlier tiers, but the follow the Fire God a few more levels, get his mid tiers, and then follow the Death God last levels and get his last tiers, is but an example of how you can change your army around. Of course you can always go the pure route, and just follow the Death god straight, or just the Wing God, or whomever you choose.

Good storyline, good voice actors for voice overs, and addictive fast gameplay, this is one I played multiplayer for 3 months straight when it first came out, but sadly I doubt there is anymore playing multiplayer anymore these days. But havent checked so I dont know.

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Battle Realms

this one has 4 sides. game has an expansion as well, if you ever plan to get this one, buy the expansion, as it comes with the full game. Although the expansion's story isnt all too good, nor the campaign, the original campaign for the Dragon/Serpent clans are great, at least IMO.

good voice overs, gameplay is slightly different from the rest of the RTS games out there, although still follows the same. But that difference is what makes this game fun.

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Conquest the Frontier Wars

now many will say this is just a subpar game. Well I enjoyed it. and yes people will say its just starcraft in space.

3 sides. what do I mean starcraft in space? well thats just in, there is no land in this game, this entire game is space fleets. what makes this game different, is the worm holes. most games you can only play one map per game, as in maps do not connect with one another on the same game. While this one made it different, the worm holes connect up to 16 maps for one game (as little as 4 or 2 can be joined as well)

Now the maps are all randomly generated when it ocmes to multiplayer, and yes since its pure space fleets, you can traverse the maps with speed, providing you dont go into some cosmic dust that slows you down.

how to use strategy in this game? I mentioned cosmic dust. there are different particles floating around in space. some, when fired upon give extra damage to opponents, as the particles are explosive. some speed you up, some slow you down.

the 3 races are, terran (of course), Mantis (zerg like), and Celerons (protos like)

the game, sadly, didnt do well at all. They planned an expansion with a 4th Lizardman style race, but since the game did so poorly, expansion got axed :(

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hope that helps....all above strategy games you should easily find in bargain bins now, and they are well worth the 10-20 they cost.
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Hey, I have Majesty! I was playing that earlier this year, but eventually I decided to move on to something else (I believe Baldur's Gate and BG2). Decent game, though quite challenging at times. I thought the announcer guy was interesting, sounding just a hint like Shawn Connery (sp?). I loved having Paladins, Dwarves, Barbarians, Knights of Discord, and Rogues with me (though of course I couldn't have all the warrior-type heroes I mentioned on the same map/mission)

Sacrifice and Battle Realms are games that I've heard of and read advertisements/articles in gaming magazines for. I just didn't think they'd be my cup of coffee when they came out. :o

Conquest of the Final Frontier is the only one I don't recall of all the ones you've mentioned.

Well, it's nice to see that there's more to talk about in the line of games. :)
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I have Majesty. It's a cool game, but for some reason, it never stays on my HD long. Mostly because I only got room enough for it and Dungeounkeeper, and I like smacking the lackies around while killing goodly types :D
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My favorite quote from Majesty:

"Majesty, the dwarves wish to join our kingdom." :D
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Majesty is a fun game, sort of a halfway house between a standard fantasy RTS and SimCity: you don't send heroes out to kill monsters, you put bounties on the monsters' heads and that attracts your heroes' little mercenary souls. ;) Then they take the gold, and buy potions and other goodies in the shops you build. Fun thing, that. One of the last games produced by Microprose before it was finally bought out, though the add-on was published by Mattel.
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Originally posted by fable
Majesty is a fun game, sort of a halfway house between a standard fantasy RTS and SimCity: you don't send heroes out to kill monsters, you put bounties on the monsters' heads and that attracts your heroes' little mercenary souls. ;) Then they take the gold, and buy potions and other goodies in the shops you build. Fun thing, that. One of the last games produced by Microprose before it was finally bought out, though the add-on was published by Mattel.


Do you suggest "The Northern Expansion" (I believe that's what it's called) if i could find it in the future?

I've also read FAQs online about additional missions available via a mod/patch, though those that i read about weren't anything to beg for, just to do if I'm looking for a little something else in the game.


(somewhat off-topic) I wonder if Blizzard will ever create both a Diablo III and StarCraft II. I've definitely heard hints of SC2 being a looked-on possibility by the company. Diablo III COULD happen if a new menaced was created in that genre, but it would be hard to do with how #2 (plus the expansion) ended. Overall, that would probably not be done anyway. Too bad Bill Roper left. :(
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The expansion adds good value to Majesty. I strongly suggest it, if you enjoyed the original.
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Originally posted by fable
The expansion adds good value to Majesty. I strongly suggest it, if you enjoyed the original.


Yeah, it's a game I'll play again some time. It had quite a few strong points. Funny, though, that the music won't play on this computer for some reason. Might be conflict between the game and Windows XP + my computer's sound card. Either that, or I may have to try the other copy of the game that I have.

My fav mission of the normal game would have to be "Hold off the Goblin Hordes". It's got rather easy enemies in swarming numbers, giving it challenge yet some simplicity, which can feel fun. :)

Yeah, and my mom wanted me to ask this: What do you suggest for pirate games (as in games involving everyone's favorite legendary sea dogs on the high seas, ARRRRR!!). There's never been a good game of that concept past the good ol' "Sid Meyer's Pirates! Gold", from what we can all say here.
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Diablo 3 would be kind of ridiculous IMO. After all, you DID kill all three of the Prime Evils in the series. Besides, I think the hack-n-slash formula has pretty much played itself out in Diablo and Diablo 2. I can't imagine other substantial additon/innovation/renovation that can be added to the series. I think Blizzard should stop with the D2 expansion. The Diablo legacy is pretty secure at this point, having become a uber-popular action game series that's addictive and fun to play online.

Personally, I highly believe that Blizzard will make a Starcraft sequel. There are loose ends that can be tied up in a sequel. They could work with Raynor's story, the Xel'Naga, and perhaps finally resolve the conflict between the three races and have a winner so to speak.

On a side note, I want Blizzard to do something completely new. Sure, they've now got into the world of MMORPG and console gaming, but both World of Warcraft and Starcraft Ghost are made within the contexts of already-established universes. I want Blizzard to create a totally new gaming universe with its own lore, characters, and locales. Sure, it's easier to create something within familiar settings, but for a company that makes a boatload of money, I expect more innovations.
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Meiers is of course working on a new Pirates!, so we'll have to wait and see how it stacks up against the original. Everything else I've tried falls far short, and I've reviewed at least five others that have long since sunk beneath the waves.
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Prime evils? I never read the manual lore of any of the books, but I never recalled Prime evils in Diablo 1, it was just Diablo....and then for Diablo2, Bliz adds Mephisto and Baal to the roster. You do realize how many more demons exist in mythology? we still have Marduk, Astaroth, Gargos, Loki, Cerberus, and many more, if we can find the names.

also I think with D1, started a trend that the big D man seems to take over the body of the one who defeats him.

as for Norther Expansion for Majesty, you can easily find Majesty Gold edition at walmarts or whatever, which is full game and expansion, for like 10-15. You might end up paying the same just buying the expansion alone, who knows. Thats where I got mine, and my walmart still has copies.

But the missions of the North get ridiculousy tough. More like impossible, in my eyes. I found some of the advance and expert missions of the regular game to be easier than the "beginner" mission of Northern xp. but the new buildings are good to have in a MP game if one is ever played. also I dont consider myself to be great or good at this game, just a novice.

there are quite afew "diablo clones" out, and hardly none ever sell well. but some worth mentioning to try out, although they do have their problems, would be Lionheart and Divine Divinity. also DD has a sequal coming out within a few months, known as Riftrunner, with a nice story twist...you and a demonic spirit share the same body, but must find a way to work together to seperate yourselves as neither of you want to be together :D

back in Majesty, gameplay wise I prefer the gnomes. dwarves just dont cut it for me, they rarely build, I feel lucky when they do, and move just as slow as a peasant :( only reason I see making dwarves is for their ballista towers.
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