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Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:44 am

@Flagg: regarding the man in the train. What is fasinating is that the man inside the train is aging slower than the man outside.
This opens up possiblity for time travel

And the big bang theory can very well be wrong - but IIRC then scientist have found leftover fragments that indicate such a bang.
But for all we know - God, could have created it all

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:45 am

Originally posted by Waverly:

Nope. Fitzgerald contraction--which is to say, (1) time would slow down for you
(although you wouldn't realize it), and (2) you and your train would get compressed like an accordion along your axis of travel.

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This is assuming that ......errr..... I am loosing myself.

You are saying that time is defined by the speed of light????

Chrissy · Post by **Chrissy** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:45 am

Xandax: About the train => cool...

That also makes my head spin

Ubik: Couldn't creation and destruction just be the same process? I guess they're part of a cycle but again we make a human distinction between the 'creation' of something and this same thing 'falling appart' From a non-human perspective it may be the same process... (and I'm totally bugged that I can't expres what I mean)

Humans also have the tendancy to look black/white. (creation/destruction, good/evil, etc) Everything has an opposide... Somehow I think those opposides are really the same thing... but I can't explain it. I think something's opposide should be the absence of it... I think warm/cold comes closest to what I mean... Nothing/everything too...

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:47 am

Originally posted by Xandax:
But for all we know - God, could have created it all

I don't think that I want to enter that discussion.

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:47 am

@Flagg not defined by, but speed and time become non-newtonian at speeds approaching C.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:50 am

Originally posted by Waverly:
Nope. Fitzgerald contraction--which is to say, (1) time would slow down for you
(although you wouldn't realize it), and (2) you and your train would get compressed like an accordion along your axis of travel.

Yeah - this "Time slows down" concept is really fantastic. As said in my last post it is what makes time travel a posibility.

But everybody: What about the grandfather paradox

- Say you went back in time and killed you grandfather - what would happen to you

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Darkpoet · Post by **Darkpoet** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:50 am

Hello

@Flagg, did you ever fix that ICQ problem you had????

@Chrissy, finish your math yet.

@Waverly, New pub??? Do you carry Bush beer????

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Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:51 am

Originally posted by Flagg:
I don't think that I want to enter that discussion.

Whether he did or not...he was good enough to set rules and follow them, even if they are beyond our understanding. Cheers, God

Brink · Post by **Brink** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:51 am

All-I'm feeling drowsy now.Time to get some sleep.Good night all

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:51 am

Originally posted by Xandax:
Yeah - this "Time slows down" concept is really fantastic. As said in my last post it is what makes time travel a posibility.

But everybody: What about the grandfather paradox - Say you went back in time and killed you grandfather - what would happen to you

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Isn't there a difference between time slowdown and time travel???

Ubik · Post by **Ubik** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:52 am

@Chrissy: I think there is a creation/destruction concept even not by a human perseptive. I mean, if a sun fades or explodes into a novae, to become then a black midgeon or a neutron star, or a black hole or whatever, isn't that "destruction"? From any point of view?

Well, the truth is that at the same time we have "creation", cause the matter that goes into space might eventually create another sun and another solar system.

I think it is relative. As some other mentioned earlier, everything is relative

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Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:54 am

<Waverly removes, Darkpistol from the premises for his bush comment>

I went over 3000 explaining Fitzgerald contraction

Minerva will be so proud

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:54 am

@Falgg: yes - but say that you're on the train moving at the speed of light - after traveling enough, you could exit the train and everybody would have experienced, say 30 years past - where you would only have felt say 30 days.

Imagine if you could travel the oppersite way, at the speed of light - what then?
(to stay in the train theory

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Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:55 am

Originally posted by Ubik:
@Chrissy: I think there is a creation/destruction concept even not by a human perseptive. I mean, if a sun fades or explodes into a novae, to become then a black midgeon or a neutron star, or a black hole or whatever, isn't that "destruction"? From any point of view?

Isn't this evolution???

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:56 am

Originally posted by Xandax:
@Falgg: yes - but say that you're on the train moving at the speed of light - after traveling enough, you could exit the train and everybody would have experienced, say 30 years past - where you would only have felt say 30 days.

Imagine if you could travel the oppersite way, at the speed of light - what then?
(to stay in the train theory )

The problem in this argument is that there is no opposite way. At least none that we know of.

Ubik · Post by **Ubik** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:57 am

Originally posted by Xandax:
But everybody: What about the grandfather paradox - Say you went back in time and killed you grandfather - what would happen to you

Have you read some interesting short stories by R.A. Henlein on this matter? One called "all you zombies" (five different characters are the same person - turned from woman to man, travelled back in time, then forth, then became his father AND his mother... you understand the concept, kinda tricky) and "By his bootstraps". Read them if you can get them.

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Chrissy · Post by **Chrissy** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:57 am

Xandax: I think it could be possible to travel forward in time (aging slower) but how would you go back? By taking lightspeed into negative? I don't understand that...

BTW. When gravity is stronger time passes slower... So time has something to do with energy? I think this is all very interesting but a little over my head

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 10:59 am

@Ubik: no - I haven't read those.
My knowledge of this paradox comes from the multiverse theories and time travel paradoxes.

Minerva · Post by **Minerva** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:00 am

Originally posted by Waverly:
<Waverly removes, Darkpistol from the premises for his bush comment>

I went over 3000 explaining Fitzgerald contraction Minerva will be so proud

I am, sir.

My head cannot cope with much of the scientific thought... And this topic is something I don't really like to find the answer...

It's interesting to read the posts. Keep going guys.

Ubik · Post by **Ubik** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:00 am

@ Flagg? Evolution? Hell, no. Entropy at it's best and clearest. But even in a mass-climax (nothing funny intended here

) entropic act, there is some sort of evolution.
Then... you aren't really wrong. But you aren't really right either.

Biiiig congrats on the Big 3.000! Wankerly, you are a major spammer! We shall set a monument for you in the Hall of Shame

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