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Well, a lot of important and wery wise things had just been said.

Most people who declare themselves as members of an 'alternate religion', at least those I have met, are only seeking a way to be original, to make their egos feel better... It's not really religion, it's a lie. I have a friend who's constantly flooding his flat by books on magic, chakrams, hipnosis, and so on. It makes him feel superior to those who don't. He declares himself pagan, but is exactly like people Fable wrote about - it's not really belief, it's a conscious choice of saying so, to be more 'cool, occult and mysterious'. Good grief, just like some dumb teenager.

But perhaps you people see some things differently, because you accept the right of others to be whatever religion they want. In my country, It's a constant 'fight', to try and live according to my beliefs, and I mean beliefs, with such a huge pression from Polish outside. One of fundaments of my whole being is that religion is a private business of people concerned, but my country thinks it otherwise. It's a normal oppinion here that you cannot be Polish if you're not catholic. It's a kind of equation, Pole=catholic, pretty much like dwarf=miner :) In such a situation, there's no question of "touching the world". It's more like trying to stop the world from touching you, and it's not by any means escaping from reality. It's more like trying to make some reality that would not escape from you.
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Protestant here.

Without having read most of this thread, I would like to say that the inherent differences in people and the culture/way of life/upbringing, whatever.. all that makes that a belief can be interpreted and practiced in various ways.

This because I often read negative things about christianity or christians. And because such examples do not (usually, to put in a possibly necessary disclaimer) represent all christians.

Of course this has little to do with people who see religion as a habit or some such. I wouldn't call these people religious as they do not sincerely try to be an adherent of a religion. Then again, it may not always be easy to see what they feel or think and intend.
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Hmmm. I don't belong to any organized group, grew up with lapsed Catholic grandparents on one side of the family :confused: . My parents never went to church or voiced their opinions till after I was grown. My father in the last years of his fight with cancer, embraced the Protestant faith, and after his death, my mother started going to a local Baptist church, But I've noticed its more for social reasons. Having this upbringing, I studied religion in some college classes to at least try to know a little of the different faiths out there. :)

As for myself, I used to be a non-believer, until a few situations in my life made me re-think my opinions of faith...so, I do believe in some higher power be it called God or Nature...or Fate or Chance...So really I don't know what to call my faith, other than just a belief in something.:angel:
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I hesitated between atheist and other, but in the end chose atheist, though nontheist would be more correct and ignostic the most specific.

In other words: "I don't know what you're talking about when you talk about God."
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Kipi wrote:It's hard to explain...
In a way, I'm also atheist, in a way I'm not...

For example, yes I do believe there is God, but I believe that He doesn't have anything to do with our world...

VERY hard to explain, I know... :o

EDIT: Actually, the half-Atheist half-Christian wasn't even my invention, My believing has been called that way by many of my friends...
Me too. Kinda.

If god exists, which he could he would want people to do there own stuff. I mean look after people themselves, rather than intervene. But I still agree with alot of the dogma, treat peopel well and stuff.
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supershadow wrote:Christian
Can you be any more vague, mate? ;) What branch of Christianity?
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Well, tell us(yes, I am skitsophrenic[yes, that was a joke]) about your personal beliefs/religion/ideology. I don't know write a long story but sometime later I will. Now here is the short one: I am [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism"]luciferian[/url] mostly on the philosophical side and none on the religous/traditional site. I turn down every religion which consists any kind of rituals/ceremonies/praying as for me worshipping higher being is weakness and it is mocking of human itself. Well, thats about it for this time...
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I find it comical that you hold the belief system after Lucifer as your own, and yet are against worshiping a higher being as it demeans humanity. The legend surrounding the Morningstar was that he fell in his attempt to grind humanity under his heel due to his jealousy of them and failed in it when attempting to take over heaven, yes? Hence, following a belief system patterned after him and thinking humans to be too good to worship anyone is convoluted at best, don't you think? :confused:
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Magrus wrote:I find it comical that you hold the belief system after Lucifer as your own, and yet are against worshiping a higher being as it demeans humanity. The legend surrounding the Morningstar was that he fell in his attempt to grind humanity under his heel due to his jealousy of them and failed in it when attempting to take over heaven, yes? Hence, following a belief system patterned after him and thinking humans to be too good to worship anyone is convoluted at best, don't you think? :confused:
@Magrus, it is so rare to find someone saying exactly what you are thinking yourself... Point to you!

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I don't believe in any greater being. I believe in humanity itself. We all carry a spark of the divine and I feel we should express it by making sure our lives have had an overall positive impact on the world (no matter how small). Within this there are no right or wrong philosophies, only those that do and don't work in your (social) setting.
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I am not part of any particular religion but I have beliefs from a variety of sources that I have built up over the years. For example I believe in a higher power, I believe in aspects of Christianity such as the soul and angels etc. and I believe that Jesus Christ was real. But I am not a Christian as many of my beliefs that are close to Christianity are actually different to Christian beliefs, such as I don't believe that God wants us to go to church and worship Him, I don't believe that the bible is true, but more stories based on true events but have been twisted and altered over millenia. I also believe in Guardian Angels but unlike Catholics I believe they are people who care so much about us that when they die they continue to watch over and protect us, rather than higher beings that have been here since creation. I also believe in demons, ghosts, spirits etc. as well as things like the power of nature. My beliefs are very complicated and hard to explain so I'm probably doing a really bad job of it, but the essence of it is that basically I just believe what seems right to me and refuse to adhere to any single religion and my beliefs have been built up as a result of 27 years of personal experience and not from what I have been told to believe.
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To quote Einstein, when asked if he believed in God.

" I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist.The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."
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You will probably find this thread of interest:

http://www.gamebanshee.com/forums/speak ... 82898.html

I'll just paste here what I wrote there:

Basically, I believe an undefined power or force, neither "good" nor "evil," exists through the weave of the Universe... From what I gather, this is fairly close to Daoism.
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QuenGalad wrote:@Magrus, it is so rare to find someone saying exactly what you are thinking yourself... Point to you!
Isn't it though? Thanks. ;)

Didn't one of these threads pop up about a month or two ago? :confused:

Anyhow, I follow a polytheistic belief system which focuses on a natural balance of things. Death, rebirth, and the like. I believe in just about every deity you can think of, but do not worship any but a single one. Which is less of a worship type outlook as to a lord/vassal or boss/employee outlook instead. I hold an intense dislike for organized religion, as I feel a personal belief system should be just that, personal, and unique.

Hey, I know that thread. Still has that irritating typo in the title too.
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Magrus wrote:Didn't one of these threads pop up about a month or two ago? :confused:
Yeah--yours, here. Since that's the case, I'm closing this one. I'm going to try combining the two. Hopefully the result won't grow tentacles out of its skull and start mooing...

EDIT: That seems to have gone well.

Myself, I'm a witch, but not a pagan, at least, not in the modern sense. I don't buy into the social-political-historical dogma, and in some case outrageous nonsense, that often (though not always) gets swallowed whole by the pagan community. I allow for a multiplicity of beings at all sorts of levels, created for what purpose I've no idea; and I realize I have no evidence to offer for my beliefs, and frankly, don't care. We're all too ignorant upon this subject to really discuss it, anyway. I recall reading once a folktale about 6 blind men who argued incessantly about what an elephant was like, after each felt something different on it (a tusk, an ear, a side, etc). We're like that.

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What I 'believe' in undermines the definition of believing, or faith if that's what you prefer to call it. What can't be knowable and holds no possible consequence is a non issue. The only difference with me and most Ignostics is that I try to apply that idea to many other things besides the religious dogma, things most wouldn't consider. Like questioning your ability to love someone or the ability to be creative and produce something unique. To quote Conor Oberst the Wise, it's not something I would recommend, but it is one way to live. :p
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fable wrote:Yeah--yours
I thought there was another one that cropped up in January or so actually, but I could be wrong. I might have just gotten into some debate in January in person instead.
I allow for a multiplicity of beings at all sorts of levels, created for what purpose I've no idea; and I realize I have no evidence to offer for my beliefs, and frankly, don't care. We're all too ignorant upon this subject to really discuss it, anyway.
Interesting way to put that. I have my personal theories, but nothing concrete on the purposes of the higher beings I believe in, as well as my own, and those of the creatures around me. However, as said, they are personal theories, and nothing more. No one is infallible, so I keep my mind open to other possibilities. Should they have some modicum of logic or intellect behind them, of course.

That lack of tangible proof really makes discussion highly difficult, as I have found most people discount anything that cannot be sensed with their 5 base senses as unreal, delusion or a product of the imagination.
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Is this the thread I started? I am bit confused, same title, no starting message, 7 pages in something like 5 secs...
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