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I'm going to start over as a thief and I've made the character.

It has:
S:18
D:18
C:18
I:8
W:8
C:18

Do you guys think this is good for a thief? I don't think I want to dual-class later.

With 18 C I can get the +1 dagger in Candlekeep which is great!

By the way: what's the best weapon type to go for? I took dagger and short bow now.


Thanks in advance!

Yes, those stats are good, although as a thief, you recieve no benefit for constitution over 16.

The two weapons you chose are alright to start with, given that you acquire a certain dagger early on. Personally, as a thief, I hardly ever used ranged combat. The best weapons however would probably be longswords... although you may choose not to get them.

Thanks for the answer!

I rerolled now and got 64 point again. This time I I took away two points from constitution and put one in intelligence and one in wisdom.

Thanks for the help!

Your first character was better. More than 16 con doesn't grant extra HP and is nearly useless, but having 9 instead of 8 int and wis is totally useless.

Bohman, the stats for your thief are fine. What race did you choose?

Coot has asked a very relevant question.
Different races have different advantages. For a thief halflings are particularly good, with elves coming a good second due to the dexterity bonuses. If your character is human, it can be a good idea to dual class a fighter to a thief. That way you get the bonuses than Crenshinibon mentioned and you can also use potions and equipment that can only be used by fighters, potions of heroism, invulnerability, strength, composite bows for example.

Well, Bohman said that he probably didn't want to dual-class... but maybe multi-classing is an option? Fighter/thieves are among the most effective classes.
Bohman, are you by any chance soloing the game?

A little while ago I created an Orc Assassin. Thief class, but not specifically a dex user. Good backstab, 19 Str. Got bored with after an hour or two.

Edit: scratch that, I thought this was the BG2 forum. I do use Tutu, but.. my mistake.

I think that I am right in thinking that if you don't have a dex of 19 together with 65 in "open locks", you cannot get that VERY nice jewel in Candlekeep.

I'm a human and hm.. maybe I should go multi-class and to the one who asked if I was going to solo it the answer is no.

I decided to test playing a ranger too and I wonder if these stats are good enough:

S:18/79
D:18
C:18
I:10
W:14
C:13

I heard that it's unnecessery to have more than 14 wisdom on a ranger/paladin, because it doesn't make any difference. Is this correct?

I'll try out playing a little thief and a little ranger and then I'll see what fits me the best.

Thanks for the help guys!

Pure class thieves aren't very good in BG. If you want a powerful thief take a multiclass or start as human fighter and dualclass after 3 levels for weapon specialisation.

I agree, but it doesn't really matter if you're not soloing. If your'e not soloing, the best thing to do is just get on with it and not to worry too much as to whether you've got the optimal team. Just enjoy!

I think thieves (primarily single class ones, as you won't be tempted to just be a hack and slash fighter) as well as bards are the funnest classes to play.

Any thoughts about my ranger?

In terms of gameplay, you don't really differ from a paladin or fighter, except that the fighter is more proficient in weapons and both, the paladin and ranger get spells later on. Also, the ranger can hide and the paladin can turn undead, which in my opinion is significantly weaker than the cleric's and thus doesn't have much use.

From the roleplaying point of view, the ranger provides interesting opportunities, especially with all the wilderness around. The stats are fine as they are.

Basically, it's like this:

Fighter: Three more stars in weapons. Give you a tiny bonus to hit and damage, + an extra 1/ attacks.

Ranger: Useless Charm animal ability + very minor spellcasting ability that takes ages to get.

Paladin: Heals (Lay On Hands), Detects Evil, Protects from Evil, +2 to saving throws, Turns Undead, same minor spellcasting ability.

I agree, yes your stats are fine. I personally don't think that there is any advantage in being a ranger over a fighter unless you are going solo. If you play solo, you can use your stealth to discover enemies, retreat and then use necklace of missiles, oil of fiery burning etc. on them. In a party, you would use your thief for this tactic. This tactic is not for any and every foe, just the ones that are likely to cause you major problems. You can of course just sneak past your enemies, though the loss in experience might cause you problems later on.

If I play thief should I dual Imoen to mage as fast as possible or when? It's kind of unnecessery to have to thieves, right?

There are different opinions as to the best time to dual her. Some say level four, others level six. If you wait, you get better constitution and weapons ability without sacrificing too much as far as her mage ability is concerned.
However, there is no right or wrong. Do what you want. You will learn more by trial and error.
Whilst I know ToSc pretty thoroughly, when it comes to Tutu, the opposite is true and I am having great fun making mistakes, as the games are sometimes incredibly different.