New Elder Scrolls?

[Nikolas Rose]

I'm just wondering when is the new Elder Scrolls coming out! I'm sorry if there is the same thread in this forum, but please respond if you know something about new ES! And if you can, please leave some pictures of the game...

[dragon wench]

Projections are for 2010, here is a link:

Bethesda Wants Elder Scrolls 5 in 2010 | Game | Life from Wired.com

[Mz_Trixter]

So are they hinting with that pic that the next ES may or most likely will be like an enhanced Oblivion? ...Oblivion's fine 'N all but I wouldn't really like seeing 'another' one with just enhancements to it.

If they do start the planning process on it in the near future, I just hope it has similar or less restrictions as Oblivion or Morrowind did but more destinations. Imo, It'd be nice if they worked it to where you can go from one province to another i.e. Chorrol, Cyrodil to Elsyir or anywhere else on the map. That may just be overdoing it. But I just don't wanna see the same game I've been playing on 'n off

[Fljotsdale]

I don't think so. I think they just put up a pic from Oblivion because they haven't even started on the new ES yet. I seem to remember reading somewhere that it will be one of the other provinces.

So - where would you like it to be set, considering what they have done previously, and leaving them out? I think I'd quite like Blackmarsh. Or Elsewyr.

[SupaCat]

Yeah, the pic was as promotion for Oblivion, I'm sure of that.
I heard that it was going to be in the Nord Province or the Altmer Province.

[dragon wench]

Well... assuming they fix the many problems present in Oblivion...
I'd also like to see Blackmarsh or Elsewyr.
I really like Khajiits and Argonians, and both settings, from what I've read, would be very interesting.

However... my bet is that they will go for the Summerset Isles. Golden elves on golden beaches seem to be a popular choice amongst certain quarters of the fan base..

[Fljotsdale]

Oh, I hope NOT, dragon wench! :speech:

[dragon wench]

Oh, I hope NOT, dragon wench! :speech:

lol!
Well I'd really like to hope not as well... but with "Oblivion" Bethsoft demonstrated that they like to chase after low hanging fruit in various respects... In some peoples' eyes they have redeemed themselves with Fallout 3, but that is a thorny matter of debate and since I have not played any of the Fallout franchise I can't really comment there

Sorry if I sound cynical... I suspect that, in addition to anything else, my present mood and circumstances may also be influencing my perspective..

[Siberys]

If/When they do make a new Elder Scrolls, I sincerely hope they fire all the people who previously associated with the elder scrolls series, and I mean EVERYBODY.

That way, if the newbies screw up and the game turns out to be crappy like the last, I won't feel so angry at bethesda, as they hired mindless college apes to make the game and the game turns out to be the fecal matter they threw at it.

[Fljotsdale]

Oh dear! Two bitter cynics in one thread - and the second worse than the first, lol! :laugh: Is it being Mods that affects you so badly?

[BlueSky]

Oh dear! Two bitter cynics in one thread - and the second worse than the first, lol! :laugh: Is it being Mods that affects you so badly?

Hmmm,

[dragon wench]

Oh dear! Two bitter cynics in one thread - and the second worse than the first, lol! :laugh: Is it being Mods that affects you so badly?

lmao!
and great image BlueSky :laugh:

Well if the forums were currently plagued by a bunch of people continually looking to break the rules I'd say it was the "jaded cop" phenomena setting in.. However, people are pretty well behaved in my forums, so for me personally I don't think that is it

It is more the fact that I come from a long and distinguished lines of cynics... My father is a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geordie"]Geordie[/url], so that makes me cursed from day one


Erm anyway.. back to topic...
I suppose that the Summerset isles could be interesting, depending on how everything in the game were implemented, but I would much rather see Blackmarsh or Elsewyr...
Seriously, if Bethsoft keeps on ignoring the "beast" races we can probably charge them with racism

[galraen]

Sorry to throw your accounting out Fljotsdale , but cyni number three checking in, I expect Fable may be along shortly to make it four.

Those of us that have followed ES since Daggerfall do tend to be cynical, or bitterly realistic to use another term. Having waited eagerly for Morrowind, only to be slightly disappointed, then just as eagerly awaiting Oblivion only to be thoroughly disappointed I cannot get excited about the prosect of ES 5, I would prefer Skyrim, but unlike the last two times I won't rush out to buy it when it's released, I'll wait until people I trust review it first.

With ES3, I bought both the expansions, I haven't, and won't buy Shivering Isles, as far as I'm concerned Beth are on two strikes, if ES5 turns out to be as much a dowgrade from 4 that that was from 3, then it's three and out.

[Siberys]

Oh dear! Two bitter cynics in one thread - and the second worse than the first, lol! :laugh: Is it being Mods that affects you so badly?

No no no, a Cynic would believe a game to automatically be bad before it's even made. I've not only played ES 4 but before it came out I was one of the people "eagerly anticipating it," and it sucked.

Now I can base my new views of ES 5 based on the horridness of ES4 and the game developers to make ES 5. It aint cynicism, it's downright logical thinking.

I mean think about it. Arena- Awesome. Daggerfall- Great. Morrowind- Good. Oblivion- Okay. What do you think ES 5 is gonna be?

[fable]

Having a nodding acquaintance with some of the core members of the team who made ES 1-3, I can tell you that they wanted ES4 to go in an entirely different direction, one that pushed involvement in the environment still further. One they brought up repeatedly was the need to have the big players in the game, the guilds, etc, take actions for and against one another, with you having an effect but not the sole arbiter of the outcome. Sounded very neat.

What they ended up with, instead, from above, were high end graphics and a pre-/early teen market goal. Several of them quit during and after the release of ES4. Great kiddie game, but I really don't need the hand-holding, and Morrowind remains the best thing to date (for me) that Bethsoft did in the ES series.

Guess you can make that 4 mods you consider cynics.

[Fljotsdale]

I never played Arena (well, I tried, but I don't think it loaded properly, or wouln't work properly on my machine, but it was ... weird. (Graphics odd to the point of 'what the hell IS this?' and small and black and white and distant) and I didn't understand what the devil I was supposed to be seeing or doing, so I just got rid.
But I've played everything since (I think), including Battlespire, and I have to say that of them all Daggerfall was by far my favourite, crummy graphics, strange dungeon maps and all. It was the only game of them all that made my heart rate go up, and my breathing difficult! AND it scared the pants off me at times! Good game!
Mind you, I have to be honest and say that it took me awhile to get my head around the main storyline, the tombs were all one or other of several fixed types, and the towns and villages likewise; but it was the first time I'd ever played a game where you could go everywhere, without restriction, and design your own character.

I also liked being able to see through windows!!!!

Oh... and I rather like Shivering Isles expansion. It's a bit weird at first, but really it's not that different from the main game if you look at the basics. Not that I've completed it yet, with any char, because no matter how good they are when they go in, they finish up dead.

[LeoStarDragon1]

I'm replying, so why does it need a seperate title?

Wow! After reading such gripes, it makes me wonder why people are moderators for forums about games that they claim "suck".

Anyway, I learned a long, long, time ago, not to have expectations about anything, to avoid being disappointed. (At the age when I learned the truth about Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny, etc.)

Avoiding hype thus makes it much easier to enjoy just about anything, as it is, including, dare I say it, sex.

I remember my amusement from reading old posts about people anticipating the upcoming release of Oblivion, before it was out, compared to what they wrote afterwards. It was all their fault, having "false great expectations", or whatever the term is, when certain items, et al, weren't in the game liked they'd wanted or hoped for.

As for me, I didn't learn of the game until I saw my best friend playing it. Once I got my own copy, then did I recall the earlier one with the busty blonde in black on the cover, that I wanted just for the cover alone, but never got, since I didn't have a computer at the time.

So from my perspective, playing Oblivion, it is great, as I've nothing else like it to compare it too, unlike you people. When the sequel comes out, if I'm still alive, and if I can get it, then maybe I'll be in the same figurative boat with you. I'm not sure, as I'm still not used to so much... "cynicism" and sarcasm. Hmm. Maybe if this were a movie genre thing, I could relate better.
I see "SPLASH!" and expect all further mermaid movies to be as sexy as it is, via female nudity like Daryl Hannah's. Then they make the sequel, "SPLASH TOO!" with a whole new cast, and it's more for freaking "kiddies" as it were, instead of for mature audiences, and consquently, other mermaid movies ever since then, seem to fall into the sequel's mentality, like "Aquamarine" for one.

Maybe my reaction to Oblivion is different, because I started it with mods, like that old, original "Topless Mod" that my friend was using. For when I saw him playing it, I thought of "Clash of the Titans", "The Beastmaster", "The Empress", and of course, "Conan the Barbarian". Here at last was a Fantasy RPG with the bare-breasted babes I've been waiting for! Only to learn that I missed my chance with "Daggerfall", and that for "Oblivion" mods were required. Hmm. Maybe I can relate better, after all.

[dragon wench]

Well...
I wasn't party to the hype for Oblivion. Partly because I was burned once getting excited about a game (NWN1), partly because I am usually cynical until proven wrong, and partly because at the time I knew there would be no way my old computer would be able to run the game... Hence, I pretty much ignored all of the chatter concerning Oblivion.

So, I only got Oblivion GOTY a few months ago, and I have to say, in my view all of the sarcasm and accusations of dumbing down are very well founded.

Oblivion requires even more mods than Morrowind to become playable, and even then... even after you have removed the ludicrously excessive handholding, and added various interesting mods (and no, I'm not talking about the nudity ones either )... it still....... lacks something. Something intangible.. something that draws you in..

I've recently went back to Morrowind for a while, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it... Oblivion simply does not grab me in the same way.

And as far moderators critiquing Oblivion goes, why shouldn't they? Moderators are assigned/take on forums according to need, not how much they happen to enjoy a game.

[Magelord648]

Here's another one disappointed by Oblivion.

From when I saw the e3 gameplay videos I couldn't wait for Oblivion. When I got it, the hype had died down as I also didn't have a good enough computer for it and it was just a bit pants. I'm recently turned 16 which is around the age group the game is aimed at (My case says it has a rating of 15) and the hand holding still really annoyed me. Some of my friends liked it but went off it eventually and they're the friends who didn't like Morrowind because it was old.

I don't have high hopes for ESV. Modern gaming seems to be killing the fantasy RPG genre. There's too much focus on graphics and making the game easily completable instead of a good challenge. I want a game that scares me. I want to look at a cave and go "should I? I don't know what's in there" instead of a game where I'll just go "Whatever is in there I should be stronger than until around level 10".

What made Morrowind a good game is that it wasn't perfect. It's a bit like an old house. You know how to make it work comfortably. You know which mods you need to install to make it too your taste. You know what you need to avoid.

In Oblivion all of that is removed. They tried to make it seamless but instead filled it with bugs and made the game play itself. In Morrowind darkness could strike anywhere. You're walking around and BAM! a blight storm. In Oblivion you have to walk through a gate to get the variety.

I anticipate that the Elder Scrolls V will be the same as Oblivion just a different province. I think they should go back to Morrowind and build on top of it and not try to start afresh like they did with Oblivion.

[dragon wench]

Since I had heard so many references to it, my curiosty was piqued and I checked out the "Romance Mod" for MW over at PES.
One comment really caught my attention, because I think the person who wrote it pretty much hit the nail on the head in comparing the two games:

He writes:

Ya know,I posted here earlier before I played Oblivion through,and wanted to comment now about the usage of this type of mod on that game.It wouldnt work well for Oblivion,due to the fact that you cant really stop doing the quests for very long,as there isnt much for home or life style mods.There's just nothing to do but play out the quests.I didnt care for Oblivion for this fact. It's much like other games,point A to point B,etc,..but with better graphics,though you can walk around for as long as you want.That;s pretty much all there is to Oblivion.fIghting,solving quests,and walking around killing things. There is no feeling of life in Oblivion,so no room for actually living or building a homelife. I know,..people who are die hard OB fans will kill me for that,but its true.With MW there is everything you can think of,from houses,to book rotate so you can set your books just where you want them. And bottle rotate as well! So really,this mod fits right in with mods of children wandering around,
squirrels running off,ducks quacking,etc. The only thing I found better in OB was the horse riding.So,my point is that this mod,imho,just wouldnt work for any other game than MW.And,I love it,now that I got it to work! Lol!

ML alludes to this too...
Here is that "intangible" element I was trying to put my finger on. Because of certain mods and because of the way even the base game is designed, Morrowind feels like a living, breathing world. When I play Morrowind I am immersed... Oblivion is like looking into a world through a glass window, you don't actually feel as though you are there. Just my humble POV anyway