Does LoTR deserve the Oscar?

EMINEM · Post by **EMINEM** » Sun Jan 20, 2002 6:30 pm

I haven't seen the competition (Moulin Rouge, Beautiful Mind etc...), but I fear it might not even get nominated. Still, if it somehow wins the Best Dramatic Picture at the Globes tonight, I'll be tempted to think otherwise.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sun Jan 20, 2002 8:29 pm

Good question. Frankly, the last year has been pretty abysmal for movies, but I think most of the ones that are going to get nominations haven't got over here yet (or I haven't had a chance to see them).

Much as I loved LotR, I have to say that I think the Golden Globe should go to The Man Who Wasn't There, which is the best movie I saw last year... (just beating LotR, which is the second best movie I saw last year and the best movie I've seen this year

) But even if TMWWT is nominated for the Oscar, I doubt it will win it.

From what I've heard, the frontrunners for the Oscars are going to be LotR and Moulin Rouge. I think it will get nominated, and might well win. If Moulin Rouge wins, there is no justice in the world.

Beautiful Mind hasn't opened here yet.

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Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Jan 20, 2002 10:58 pm

I think LoTR will win Oscar(s) - but I can't really help but feel, that it doesn't deserve them.
As I've stated elsewhere - I feel the movie was an okay story pumped up with effects.
(like if it was a game - I'd say no gameplay and all grapichs

)

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sun Jan 20, 2002 11:24 pm

It will at least get cinematography, I expect... but it's bound to net a few more

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 3:42 am

Originally posted by Georgi:
Much as I loved LotR, I have to say that I think the Golden Globe should go to The Man Who Wasn't There, which is the best movie I saw last year... (just beating LotR, which is the second best movie I saw last year and the best movie I've seen this year ) But even if TMWWT is nominated for the Oscar, I doubt it will win it.

I am in total agreement apart from the bit about LotR, i didn't love it, in fact i was kind of bored

But The Man Who Wasn't There is brilliant

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 5:00 am

Never Heard ot the Man Who Wasn't there, and I don't think it was a film made in North America, correct me if I'm wrong though. Anyway, I do believe that LotR's was done amazingly well, I hope it doesn't become anothe Oscar grab like the sorry excuse for a movie Titanic did. IMHO, that would ruin the overall movie. I believe people should appreciate it for what it is, and not what it looks like.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 5:08 am

Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
I am in total agreement apart from the bit about LotR, i didn't love it, in fact i was kind of bored <snip>

Wohooo - finally, one more

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 5:27 am

Originally posted by Xandax:
Wohooo - finally, one more

What can i say, it sounds like i am trolling but no, i actually didn't enjoy it that much

Perhaps i was overly blessed with TMWWT the night before

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 5:56 am

Also Tony Shaloub who plays the Defending Lawyer in TMWWT is absolutely brilliant and deserves the Best Supporting Actor more than anyone else IMHO

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 6:02 am

What if it does get an oscar, and "The two towers" or "The return of the king" is/are about as good as "The fellowship of the ring". That would mean that the same story would get a couple of oscars 3 years in a row. That would sound strange to me.

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 7:20 am

If you believe that the Golden Globes are the precursor to the Oscars, Moulin Rouge and A Beautiful Mind cleaned up last night.

Since the nominees have not yet been made public, I'm going to guess at the nominees based on what I've heard. It seems that Moulin Rouge, A Beautiful Mind, Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring and In the Bedroom are consensus picks among reasonably reputable entertainment gurus and websites. The fifth nomination could be any of the following: Memento, Shrek, Ali, Mullholland Drive, The Royal Tenenbaums, and Black Hawk Down. I believe that The Man Who Wasn't There didn't meet the release deadline for consideration for 2002, so we may very well see it nominated next year.

Discounting the fifth nominee as a non-factor (it usually is, much like the sixth-seeded NFC playoff team), I'm going to say that neither LOTR nor Moulin Rouge has a shot at best picture; of late, the Academy generally dislikes fantasy and musicals. In the Bedroom is the low-budget, indie type film that critics love but no one has seen (including Academy voters) much like Chocolat, so I'm going to guess that A Beautiful Mind is going to win Best Picture (plus it was directed by the Hollywood poster-boy, Ron Howard).

I think that LOTR will win pick up a fair number of nominations, including Ian McKellan and/or Elijah Wood, but I think it's going to mostly win technical awards, although even those aren't guaranteed based on the technical innovations in Shrek, Monsters, Inc. and Final Fantasy.

Denarth · Post by **Denarth** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 3:14 pm

no way. as much as i enjoyed LotR, the academy types wont break genre.
probably will go to Beautiful Mind.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Mon Jan 21, 2002 5:29 pm

Originally posted by Aegis:
Never Heard ot the Man Who Wasn't there, and I don't think it was a film made in North America, correct me if I'm wrong though.

It's very much North American, made by the Coen Brothers; the best of their movies that I've seen.

I'm not sure that LotR will get nominations for acting. Best Adapted Screenplay is a possibility... but I don't know what the competition is.

I hope Memento gets a Screenplay nomination... it deserves a Best Picture nomination too IMO, but I don't fancy its chances.

Have to agree that A Beautiful Mind looks likely to clean up. Then again, last year's Golden Globes weren't too successful at predicting the Oscars...

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Morlock · Post by **Morlock** » Tue Jan 22, 2002 3:51 am

It will never win best picture. I doubt it will even be nominated for it. It probably won't even be nominated. I think it could be nominated in:director, cinematography, visual, special and sound effects, makeup, score, song (May it be), maybe sound and a big maybe on Ian Mckellen for best supporting actor.

I saw the globes yesterday. Wasn't Di*k Clark pathetic? He was shown 3 times, and the last time he was cut of by Mel Gibson (I thought he was funny at the end).
I liked Harrison Ford'd line "Its great to be in a category where the competion is dead" (I know its not the exact quote).
I didn't think that Robert Altman deserved the best director award. (for Gosford park) I thought that Peter Jackson or Ron Howard should have won, and although I wanted Steven Speilberg to win- A.I. wasn't a very good movie.
I think that band of brothers definetly deserved to win (It did). It is a great series.

@HLD:Ali was a terrible movie. I got it on divx.Terrible. I think Ali and Shrek have no chance to be nominated for best picture. Don't get me rong Shrek was a great movie- but they are not gonna pick an animated movie.

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Tue Jan 22, 2002 6:25 am

I probably will not see Ali. I question why someone felt the need for it to be made. Why would I, as a consumer, want to see Will Smith dress up and talk like Muhammad Ali when I can flip over to ESPN Classic and watch the real Ali close to 24/7? There is so much documentary and primary source material available on Ali that a movie is superflous.

I think the Academy might select McKellen as Best Supporting Actor as a kind of lifetime achievement award (they're not supposed to do that, but they do; think James Coburn). A "lesser" award than Best Picture or Best Director also lets the Academy acknowledge a movie without venturing too far outside of their mainstream safety box, so I wouldn't be surprised to see LOTR pick up a few awards in the second and third tier categories.

I loved Shrek; it was the best animated movie to come out since Toy Story and our friend Morlock is right that it won't win Best Picture. But if Beauty and the Beast can get nominated for Best Picture, there's no reason why Shrek can't too, especially in the thin Oscar field this year.

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