dwarf king

mewp · Post by **mewp** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:29 pm

Does it matter who you pick? I picked the LOrd something the first time. Does it matter if you pick the young prince?

Selina · Post by **Selina** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:12 am

Depends a bit on what you mean by your question. If you want to know whether it will change the game for you, then the answer is no. Regardless of whom you support for the throne you will get a dwarven army for the fight against the blight. (Depending on whom you choose you will have to do slightly different quests to gain the trust of your choosen one, though.)

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In regard to changing the game it's more important what you do with the anvil as siding with branka will grant you golems for the finale.

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It will change the game world though as evidenced by the epilogue. Depending on whom you side with the future of the dwarves will change quite a bit.

holeraw · Post by **holeraw** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:06 am

I just got to that part today, and I'd like to note that it was a pretty nasty dilemma because even though I talked to everyone, I didn't get any real clue, other than a couple of obscure and irrelevant opinions, of what each candidate stands for. Eventually I picked Harrowhatever just because his representative was more polite...

I think it's a pretty badly designed dilemma: they demanded me to show loyalty without even letting me know who I was supposed to be loyal to.

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:44 pm

holeraw wrote: I think it's a pretty badly designed dilemma: they demanded me to show loyalty without even letting me know who I was supposed to be loyal to.

I had a similar opinion when I was playing the game, and its probably one of the most flawed parts story-wise in the game. I wanted to pick a very neutral position, and essentially tell them to work it out for themselves. What business does an outsider have in deciding such a thing? And they don't really give you enough information to make a choice before you HAVE to make that choice.

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:43 pm

Nightmare wrote:I had a similar opinion when I was playing the game, and its probably one of the most flawed parts story-wise in the game. I wanted to pick a very neutral position, and essentially tell them to work it out for themselves. What business does an outsider have in deciding such a thing? And they don't really give you enough information to make a choice before you HAVE to make that choice.

I think the reason for this is that the events leading to the chaos are covered in the Dwarven Nobles origin, and would thus spoil that if they explained it too much. Also, maybe the dwarves don't actually know who killed the King, so that is irrelevant really - if you read codexes and talk to everyone, including shop keepers, then you can get an idea of the policies and ideals that the two canditates stand for. When I played through it for the first time, I knew exactly who stood for what and the only thing I didn't understand was who actually killed the king (and that was playing as a Dalish Elf not a Dwarf)

As for why an outsider is involved in the decision ... you are not just an outsider, your role as a Grey Warden gives you a huge diplomatic influence due to the treaties and the fact that the world needs Grey Wardens to defeat Archdemons. Further, if you play the full quest line in Orzammar and Deep Roads then you will realise that your opinion isn't actually valued enough by the Orzammar dwarves to decide the King - hence why you enter the Deep Roads in the first place.

fullautomatic55 · Post by **fullautomatic55** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:03 pm

holeraw wrote:I think it's a pretty badly designed dilemma: they demanded me to show loyalty without even letting me know who I was supposed to be loyal to.

They're putting you in that dilemma for a reason: you need to secure support from the king to fight the blight, and you need to do it quickly. That said, wouldn't you (as anything other that a dwarf, and sometimes even then,) be more interested in solving the problem as quickly as possible? Maybe, maybe not, but either way, when the sides are so evenly split, I don't think that it's unreasonable for a Grey Warden (whose thoughts are more concerned with the blight and less on Orzammar) to make a choice without deeply investigating both of the options.

That said, it always seems that the actual fate of Orzammar (in the epilogue) is the opposite of the idea you have when you choose the king during the game.

Curry · Post by **Curry** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:18 am

Can you become the king yourself if you choose the Dwarf Noble origin?

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:18 pm

Curry wrote:Can you become the king yourself if you choose the Dwarf Noble origin?

Only in the epilogue and I think the choices you make in game decide if this happens ... you cannot become King during the game itself. I read somewhere that you can also become a Paragon if you make the correct choices to unlock this ending.