Baldurs Gate III

the_realmerlin · Post by **the_realmerlin** » Sun Jun 09, 2002 7:54 pm

Does anyone know if there will be a BG three? it seems likely cause SOA wasn't really even much of a Bhaal story and TOB (even though i haven't played it yet) seems to be a little-story all fight expansion. I mean theres plenty of more crap to do (Has the main character ever been in a different realm? Has he saved the world, no in SOA he just saves some elves and kills the weakest boss ever, Irencius, cool ending though) this thread is pretty dumb but i think it'll help me become an exalted member.

jerubal · Post by **jerubal** » Sun Jun 09, 2002 8:53 pm

There won't be. ToB is the end, of that you can be quite sure.

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:48 am

The adventure doesn’t have to end with ToB. NWN allows you to import your character and continue their tale... Oh wait. Bioware changed their minds and decided not to implement that feature in NWN. Oh well, I guess ToB really is the end.

Rattman · Post by **Rattman** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 6:49 am

if you did import a BG character in to NWN then it would only be name and class

not really much point is there?

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 12:43 pm

If you're looking for another use of the Infinity Engine, your best bet is to try some of the European knock-offs of BG2, like Gorasul. Not very good, IMO. Perhaps something better will come along, if the engine's licensed to some good developers.

If you're looking for a continuation of the story for your hero, forget it. Once you get the opportunity to accept or reject godhood, there's nowhere else you can take the plot without becoming anti-climactic.

If you want the same kind of NPC party interaction enjoyed in BG2, wait for Bioware's Star Wars RPG, in dev for Lucasarts. Though the XBox version will come out first, damn them.

If you want a 3D single-character game set in more or less the same universe, NWN is around the corner.

If you want a potentially Fallout or Arcanum like game set in a similar universe, wait for Lionheart.

Audace · Post by **Audace** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 5:23 am

I could imagine a BGIII with a setting of a few decades later, but they might as well make a completely new game+storyline, 'cause i don't think there's an interesting continuation to this one. Then again, I'm not even imaginative enough to to think of something to write on a birthday card so....

Ode to a Grasshopper · Tue Jun 11, 2002 5:42 am

How about "Happy Birthday"?

Maybe they could make BG3 and have your PC settle down with his romance, have to buy a house, pay taxes...They could call it "Sim BG2".

Of course, the godhood aspect could be tough to implement...

jerubal · Post by **jerubal** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 5:44 am

Besides everything else, the simple fact of the matter is that there aren't any challanges left. What would the game consist of with a party of near god-like characters?
Certainly you couldn't advance much further. Not only because of D&D rules, but because you would just end up wandering the world.

Slaughtering dragons and demons without breaking stride doesn't appeal to me in the slightest... Not for long enough to sustain a story anyway.

kopywrite · Post by **kopywrite** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 5:55 am

Yeah but a BG3 with a new set of characters would be fantastic...maybe set in the wake of BG2 with some of the original NPCs making Elminster style cameos.

brian0182001 · Post by **brian0182001** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 7:47 am

Spoiler Alert!!!

Just a thought to a BGIII expansion. Aerie and the main character have a baby in one possible romance ending. Viconia and the main character also have a child, as well. What if the child either retained a spark of Bhaal or the Cowled Wizards consider him (Quayle, I think is the child's name) a threat and kidnap him, then it's up to the main character and Aerie to bring the gang back together and rescue him? Then (much like rescuing Imoen) they go after the Cowled Wizards responsible for the kidnapping. And since Keldorn is said to have died after ToB, then the younger Quayle can be a new NPC in his place, like Saravok replaced Yoshimo.

I'm not a programmer, but if anyone is up to the challenge, I think it's a good idea for an expansion.

kopywrite · Post by **kopywrite** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 10:02 am

Humpf. In an industry that is chock full of money making lazy sequels, we happen to get a company of designers that has integrity that won't keep milking their number one cash cow. Bah!

brian0182001 · Post by **brian0182001** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 10:08 am

Then perhaps we should all do it ourselves. I came up with a reasonable idea for another sequal. Baldur's Gate 3: Return of the Bhaalspawn (just kidding). I have no real problems with writing a script if someone can utilize the programming to create the areas and dialogue. I can use Shadowkeeper to make items, but that's as far as my programming skills (if you want to call them that) will take me.

You could integrate the idea of having newer and younger NPC's to mix with the older NPC's, who are older and wiser but might have lost a step or two. Figure it's almost 20 years from the end of ToB.

Aqua-chan · Post by **Aqua-chan** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 11:59 am

That's good -bringing in all new NPCs, because if you used the Human NPCs in BG2 now, who are mostly around age twenty (Except Keldorn, Korgan, and Jan...Maybe Minsc, possibly Jaheria (But she's elf, so her age count's different)) then you'd have forty-year-old charactors running around, not to mention the PC who'd be about 44 at that time in human years (Not that Forty is OLD or anything...I'm just not there yet!).

Romances, anyone? I'd hate to play a forty-year human and romance a Drow elf that looks like she's still twenty-five...

brian0182001 · Post by **brian0182001** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:26 pm

Hmmm, you could say that being around the Bhaal energies for such an extended period of time gave the NPC's longer than average lifespans or some such nonsense. Though Aerie, Viconia, Jaheira, and Haer'Dalis won't really notice the change in their ages.

But I think it would be neat, having all new romances to deal with... such as Mazzy/Korgan (at least in Korgan's mind, anyway) or Haer'Dalis/Imoen (have them have a child of their own that has a romance with the younger NPC, Quayle)

And have a little Lucasfilm twist and have Cyric, the god of evil, controlling the Cowled Wizards, so at the end you would have to defeat Cyric's Avatar to end the game.

Aqua-chan · Post by **Aqua-chan** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 1:51 pm

Maz? With Korgy? I'm sorry, I just don't see that happening!

Spoiler?
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Besides, Keldorn, Minsc and Viccie(In the Romance) die at the end of ToB, and what fun would iany BG game be without your snotty Drow elf and favorite Miniature Giant Space Hamster and his Ranger? Not the same, in my opinion...

But you know, I'd be willing to help in any ways possible. I don't have any way of making dungeon settings, but if there's anything else I can do...

fable · Post by **fable** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 3:42 pm

Originally posted by kopywrite
Yeah but a BG3 with a new set of characters would be fantastic...maybe set in the wake of BG2 with some of the original NPCs making Elminster style cameos.

That's certainly feasible; in fact, I'm kinda surprised Interplay didn't sign Bioware to do this kind of tenuous sequel before BG2 appeared. It would have made sense. Maybe they couldn't afford the longterm financial commitment, by then.

brian0182001 · Post by **brian0182001** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 6:15 pm

Maz? With Korgy? I'm sorry, I just don't see that happening!

Heh heh... that was just in Korgan's mind. I think she'd rather eat Ankheg dung than allow Korgan in her blankets.

Spoiler Alert!!!

BTW, I checked the endings, and Viconia only dies if you romance her, and it is several years in the future there.

It never says Minsc dies, only that he "disappears."

Keldorn DOES die, so the rest would reasonably be available.

Ode to a Grasshopper · Tue Jun 11, 2002 11:25 pm

Jaheira's a half-elf, so there'd be a noticeable difference but not so much as for a human. Korgan wouldn't have aged much (comparatively) as he's a dwarf, who are also long-lived.
I think there was a Mazzy/Korgan romance planned for BG2 but it got cut out due to time considerations.

@Aqua-Chan-I'd love to be romancing an elf who would look twenty for as long as I lived, no matter how old I was. Where would the downside be in that?

It's not like she wouldn't be as old (or older) than your PC still.

kopywrite · Post by **kopywrite** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 1:55 am

Originally posted by fable
That's certainly feasible; in fact, I'm kinda surprised Interplay didn't sign Bioware to do this kind of tenuous sequel before BG2 appeared. It would have made sense. Maybe they couldn't afford the longterm financial commitment, by then.

I'm not by any means an expert on the industry, but what is the deal with Interplay and the AD&D franchise? I'd heard that they lost it to the company that did Pool of Radiance and they were going to produce an MMORPG based on the AD&D rules...

What I'd really like to see is more IE D&D games from Bioware, how likely do you think this is?

(I'm possibly being shortsighted here though, once NWN comes out I may never even look back at the BG series.)

Kekk · Post by **Kekk** » Wed Jun 12, 2002 2:09 am

I read from somewhere (can't remember where for this life of mine

) that there will be BG3, but it won't be about the Bhaalspawn saga.

I'll try to search a link or something.