Is this cheating?

The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Thu Mar 29, 2001 2:47 pm

The 7th level cleric spell Gate summons a Pit Fiend, a big bad boy. The problem is that the kills that this guy makes don't get you XP... But if you kill him, you get 16,000 XP. Now suppose I gate a Pit Fiend, without protection from evil, adn I kill it to get the XP? Do you consider this cheating? It's like casting XP.

Anyway, I have never done this, and probably never will, but it's nice if you are soloing.

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Ro´Jadre · Post by **Ro´Jadre** » Thu Mar 29, 2001 2:56 pm

If you do it for the sole purpose of killing it without it doing anything for you I consider it extreme cheese.

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The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Thu Mar 29, 2001 3:02 pm

Originally posted by Ro´Jadre:
If you do it for the sole purpose of killing it without it doing anything for you I consider it extreme cheese.

Exactly why I'm not doing it either.

Nighthawk · Post by **Nighthawk** » Thu Mar 29, 2001 3:09 pm

Heh...no, actually I consider it good roleplaying.

Good Cleric rests up and gates in an evil Pit Fiend, kills it, gates in the next...and the next and the next. If enough Clerics do this, maybe they could eliminate the Pit Fiends from existance!

Sort of reminds me of a time Pkilling on a MUD where one of the guilds actually had a summon player spell...after 3 of us one by one wiped out most of the rest of the MUD, things changed.

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shesgottahaveit · Post by **shesgottahaveit** » Thu Mar 29, 2001 3:11 pm

No.

1. If you can cast 7th level spells you dont need the 16k exp.
2. You have to rest to get another Fiend so I think you paid for the exp.
3. You killed a Fiend no matter how it got there you killed it so it's your exp.

Angelus · Post by **Angelus** » Thu Mar 29, 2001 3:17 pm

I don't think it's cheating, you did work for the XP after all. And it's not misusing a glitch in the programm, like you do to get 2 rings of Gaxx or trying to get the drow stuff out of UD.

fable · Post by **fable** » Thu Mar 29, 2001 3:45 pm

Not cheating, but to quote another player, cheese. It's a cheap, mindless, non-game way of gaining experience.

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Thu Mar 29, 2001 11:52 pm

Hmmmm must be another bug.

Just one more of the 9999 bugs in the later versions.

I'm glad I preorder mine...no bugs at all.

I have spent time casting Gate from both my mages and cleric....in hell to get Imoen up to the cap.

Dismiss everyone except Me , mage and Imoen.. cast gate..kill pit fiend..repeat till mage is out of spells...dismiss that mage , pick up the other mage repeat...then pick up cleric repeat.

Sleep and start again.

Pe Ell · Post by **Pe Ell** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 1:17 am

Not cheating. You killed it right? So why shouldnt you get rewarded for it? This is sort of like discusing the xp cap.

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Manveru · Post by **Manveru** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 11:04 am

I use gate frequently

. I just love to listen the sounds of pit fiend's fight. And it is soooooo cool

to open some door, cast gate and close the door

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I didn't consider gaining Xp in such a manner because it is so boring

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Ro´Jadre · Post by **Ro´Jadre** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 11:15 am

If you don't cast prot. from Evil and you get a fight with it it's not cheese either I think.

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The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 11:20 am

Originally posted by Ro´Jadre:
If you don't cast prot. from Evil and you get a fight with it it's not cheese either I think.

I think it is.
The Pit Fiend is easy to beat at the level where you can cast it.

Saumerez · Post by **Saumerez** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 1:48 pm

Well, I try not to judge how others play a game that they paid for but I will say that I can't imagine how that tactic would be much fun.

Why pay to be bored? Boredom is free and readily available.

The Outsider · Post by **The Outsider** » Fri Mar 30, 2001 7:18 pm

I tend to side with the point made earlier, about good clerics casting gate just to torment the d*mn things. Notice that there isn't a "Summon Angel" spell for good clereics. That would be amusing, although it would confirm the generic-Christian worldview of D&D, which is another topic entirely.