High Stats

CrownHead · Post by **CrownHead** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 11:50 pm

Just wondering, what classes do you think would benefit from insanely high stats? For example:

An elven thief who has Kiel's Buckler, the Tomb of Dexterity, and a Dex of 19 to begin with.

A Cleric that has used all three tombs of Wis making his Wisdom Potentially 21

I'm a fan of high dex, but I can't figure out what class it would be the best with.

Mini Me · Post by **Mini Me** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:18 am

dex gives better ac, so whoever needs ac give them it. It also helps you from getting spells interrupted, so give it to a mage or cleric who needs ac and gets in battle too often

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 3:03 am

I think all classes benefit from a high dex for the AC bonus.
But your fighter can get a good AC by equiping heavy armor, and I always try to keep my mages out of battle.

So this leaves the light armored, the thiefes and druids.

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:29 am

Well, I ended up beating this game with a Paladin that had these stats at the end of it:

19 Str
17 Dex
19 Con
11 Int
17 Wis
19 Cha

For stat-boosting equipment, he had the Nymph Cloak and the Helm of Glory equip (to decrease shop prices, mainly). Trust me, he kicked MAJOR ARSE! I also think he got the most kills in my party in the end.

Curry · Post by **Curry** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:38 am

Originally posted by Galuf the Dwarf
Well, I ended up beating this game with a Paladin that had these stats at the end of it:

lvl/equipment/party ?

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 9:14 am

Originally posted by Curry
lvl/equipment/party ?

Let me see. If I remember right it was...

Paladin: Lvl 7
Weapons: War Hammer +2, Flame Tongue, Kondar (+1 Bastard Sword, +3 vs Shapeshifters)
Shield: Tower Shield +1
Armor: Full Plate Mail
Rings: Ring of Protection +1, Ring of Free Action
Headgear: Helm of Glory (+1 armor class, Cha, saving throws)
Cloak: Nymph Cloak
Amulet: ????
Boots: Boots of Haste
Gloves: ????

Khalid: Lvl 8
Weapons: Longsword +2, Bala's Axe
Shield: Tower Shield +1, +4 vs. Missiles
Armor: Full Plate Mail
Rings: Ring of Protection +1
Headgear: Helmet
Cloak: ????
Amulet: ????
Boots: Boots of Grounding
Belt: ????
Gloves: Gauntlets of Ogre Power

Minsc: Lvl 7
Weapons: Spider's Bane +2, Axe +2, Throwing Axes
Shield: N/A
Armor: Full Plate Mail
Rings: Ring of Protectoin +1, N/A
Headgear: Helmet
Cloak: Cloak of Balduran
Amulet: Necklace of Missiles
Boots: Boots of the North
Belt: ????
Gloves: ????

Jaheira: Lvl 7 Fighter/ Lvl 7 Druid
Weapons: Staff Mace +2, Sling +1 (w/ +1 and +2 bullets)
Shield: Tower Shield +2
Armor: Full Plate Mail +1
Rings: Ring of Holiness, ????
Headgear: Helm of Balduran
Cloak: Cloak of Mirroring
Amulet: ????
Boots: ????
Belt: ????
Gloves: ????

Imoen: Lvl 8
Weapons: Shortsword of Backstabbing +3, Eagle Bow +2
Shield: N/A
Armor: Shadow Armor
Headgear: N/A
Rings: Ring of Invisibility, Ring of Energy
Cloak: Cloak of Non-Detection
Amulet: Wolfsbane Amulet
Boots: Boots of Stealth
Belt: Golden Girdle
Gloves: Bracers of Archery

Dynaheir: Lvl 8
Weapons: Staff +3, Arla's Dragonbane (+3 Sling, w/ +1 and +2 bullets)
Shield: N/A
Armor: Robe of Good Archmagi
Headgear: N/A
Rings: Ring of Wizardry, ????
Cloak: ????
Amulet: Shield Amulet, I believe
Boots: Boots of Avoidance
Belt: Girdle of Bluntness
Gloves: Gauntlets of Dexterity

Some details are sketchy. It's been almost half a year since I've played it (especially after uninstalling it). Well, what do you think?

Curry · Post by **Curry** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 9:26 am

not bad, but you can get 4 or 5 pairs of gloves of weapon expertise (Tazok @ camp, Swordguy at Firewine, BG harbor, dont remember others).

And I wonder how the thief is so low level compared to the others

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 5:08 pm

Originally posted by Curry
not bad, but you can get 4 or 5 pairs of gloves of weapon expertise (Tazok @ camp, Swordguy at Firewine, BG harbor, dont remember others). And I wonder how the thief is so low level compared to the others

4 or 5 pairs?
are you sure?
You have the weapon skill and the weapon expertise but I cant remeber that there are more.

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:26 pm

*smacks himself in the head* Oh, mish-mash! Ah forgot about all the gloves'a weapon skill! Me main char 'ad one pair, Minsc 'ad another pair, and Jaheira 'ad the Gauntlets of Weapon Expertise! Well, thanks for jogging me memory, Curry.

Curry · Post by **Curry** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 7:16 am

Originally posted by Stilgar
4 or 5 pairs?
are you sure?.

I remember I had Str and dex gauntles and those archery things, rest of the guys had gloves of weapon expertise/skill and I had to sell some cause I had more of them than NPCs. Locations:

- Tazok @ bandits' camp
- crate @ bg harbor
- Meilum @ Firewine Bridge
- Larze (ogre assassin) in BG inn (blushing mermaid).

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:34 pm

Bragging rights aside, from a practical standpoint, if your character is not a Thief, the only difference between DEX 18 and DEX 20 is an additional +1 missile attack bonus. Also, DEX 18-20 only gives you an additional +1 AC bonus compared to DEX 17. To put it another way, the only difference between an "ordinary" DEX 17 and a "superhuman" DEX 20 is an additional +1 missile attack bonus and an additional +1 AC bonus. I don't think that's very significant, although the extra missile attack bonus does make Coran the best archer in the game, since he also has three proficiency points in Bows (which a Fighter can have but which a multi-class Fighter/Thief usually cannot have).

DEX 21, which improves on both of those bonuses by another +1, is where the real difference begins. If you play a Thief, I think you get about 5 more thieving points in each thieving skill for each additional DEX point. (The table in the manual stops at DEX 19.)

CON 20 is where your character starts to regenerate hit points (you will be fully healed when you rest), but CON 21 is where you start getting 6 extra hit points per level instead of the 5 extra points you get for having CON 19 or CON 20. You don't get 7 extra hit points per level until you reach CON 24, so I think CON 21 is optimal, and you can actually achieve it without cheating if you play BG2: Shadows of Amn and Throne of Bhaal.

EmptyChaos · Post by **EmptyChaos** » Sun Sep 14, 2003 7:23 pm

MINOR SPOILER
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Paladin (not a word of a lie, and only possible with the Paladin because of their high reqs):

To Start in BGI:

Str: 18/85
Dex: 18
Con: 18
Int: 10
Wis: 18
Cha: 18

End BGI (All tomes given):

Str: 19
Dex: 19
Con: 19
Int: 11
Ws: 21
Cha: 19

At the End of BGII + After completing Watcher's Keep:

Str: 21 ( +1 LTM machine, +1 "erinyes" DOMT)
Dex: 20 (-1 Tear quest, +1 LTM machine, +1 "erinyes" DOMT)
Con: 23 (+2 Tear quest, +1 LTM machine, +1 "erinyes" DOMT)
Int: 12 (-1 mid-game dream, +1 LTM machine, +1 "erinyes" DOMT)
Wis: 23 ( +1 LTM machine, +1 "erinyes" DOMT)
Str: 23 (+2 Tear quest, +1 LTM machine, +1 "erinyes" DOMT)

Ron_Lugge · Post by **Ron_Lugge** » Sun Sep 14, 2003 7:26 pm

"DOMT"?

EmptyChaos · Post by **EmptyChaos** » Sun Sep 14, 2003 7:31 pm

DOMT = Deck of Many Things

nephtu · Post by **nephtu** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:52 am

Minor FYI

My 2 gold worth on stats:

STR is useful to everyone, though especially to fighters - OTOH, there's loads o'plus STR items
CON is useful to everyone, over 17 really only helps fighters
WIS is really only useful to priests
INT is really only useful to mages
DEX is a bit complex, well summarized above by VonDondu
CHA is irrelevant, except for class requirements as it's so easily boosted.

SoA spoiler below for those who care, highlight to read.

In case you care, you don't have to take ANY negatives in SoA on the Bhaal tear quests - just read Spell Immunity - Divination from a scroll and it will negate the effects.

Curry · Post by **Curry** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:35 pm

Cha is good because you get insane rewards from quests compared to low cha

Ron_Lugge · Post by **Ron_Lugge** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:11 pm

Re: Minor FYI

Originally posted by nephtu
WIS is really only useful to priests

*Cough*Wish*cough*

edit:

Of course, that does only apply to BG2 / TOB chars.

nephtu · Post by **nephtu** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:04 am

Wishes..

You'll use wishes (& limited wishes) HOW often in the game? Even if you didn't have a priest or other high WIS NPC, you could just drink one of those WIS potions and make do ;p

Ron_Lugge · Post by **Ron_Lugge** » Thu Oct 02, 2003 1:17 pm

Re: Wishes..

Originally posted by nephtu
You'll use wishes (& limited wishes) HOW often in the game? Even if you didn't have a priest or other high WIS NPC, you could just drink one of those WIS potions and make do ;p

Pretty frequently.