Wind Back Your Mind....(extra extremely small spoilers)

mjcw · Post by **mjcw** » Wed Aug 20, 2003 2:58 am

Wind back your minds to Irenicus's prison. Remember when Jaheria finds Khalids dead body on the table? I have found that is a good way to get rid of her without feeling sypathetic for her. She disapears so you have to go to the Harper HQ to get her back, I think. Still, for those of you who dont like her (me, me!) you can finally(pick me!) get rid of her!

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:35 am

Gods, the woman is distraught in grief over the death and horrific dismemberment of her long-time lover and companion, who suddenly turns up before her eyes. And you find *that* a good point to get rid of her without feeling sympathetic?

Leonardo · Post by **Leonardo** » Wed Aug 20, 2003 8:03 am

But it was just Khalid, nothing to be missed much

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed Aug 20, 2003 8:08 am

Forget that "silly ass" accent they gave Khalid in BG1. It wasn't his fault. I still think that Mjcw's post proves he's the nearest thing in BG2 to chaotic evil.

mjcw · Post by **mjcw** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 2:45 am

Yeah, that sounds alot like me. I finally got rid of her! You see, she was very rude, so she went away. It was quite funny!

Screaming Johny · Post by **Screaming Johny** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 8:55 am

If I don't want her (or Minsc) I Just rescure them for the 3,000 xp then in the same dialogue suggest we split up. Jaheira objects but will leave. Minsc tells me I am as smart as Boo sometimes (I think he meant it as a compliment.)

Etherial · Post by **Etherial** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 9:25 pm

Ech, I find Jahiera to be an insufferable milk-sop. I have foundmyself many times just wanting to yell at my computer "THE BALANCE?! I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE YOU CNA PUT YOUR BALANCE!" but I dont' for fear of getting the homicidal neighbors (and their dogs from hell) riled up.

So let her cry over her eviscerated cowar-er husband. Never knew what she saw in him anyways...

They both complained too much...

fable · Post by **fable** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:16 pm

Sad, very sad, the lot of you. Fine druid, can inflict you all with insects, and resurrect people who die. You know, in many cultures she would be worshipped.

mjcw · Post by **mjcw** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 2:08 am

And burned.

Etherial · Post by **Etherial** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 2:08 pm

Oh yeah, and quartered, don't forget the quartering of the charred corpse. Y'know, just for good measure?

Mini Me · Post by **Mini Me** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 4:19 pm

what do you all have against jaheira? shes really good gamewise and only bad personalitywise because her husband's dead! Shes really a sensitive and very openminded thoughtful person.

Shame on you! Shame on you all!!! (cept fable

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PS @Etherial..when does cespenar say that? i dont remember it

Etherial · Post by **Etherial** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 4:27 pm

Well, besides the personality issues? Besides those? She gets to be a bit of a hinderance later in the game. Requiring certain (really good) items just to keep her competitive. Items that would be better spent on Anomen (he's not so bad once you get a Helm of Opposing Alingment on him... MWEHEHEHEHE!), Keldorn (BWAHAHAHAHAHA-), or Misnc (-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! DRAG THEM DOWN! DRAG THEM ALL DOWN WITH ME!)

PS@ the PS directed at him:

Nope, there is no mention of cheesey encheladas in the game, I just know Cespenar's speech patterns.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 10:31 am

Originally posted by Mini Me
what do you all have against jaheira? shes really good gamewise and only bad personalitywise because her husband's dead! Shes really a sensitive and very openminded thoughtful person.

Shame on you! Shame on you all!!! (cept fable )

I usually try to stay out of NPC bashing....but...can't stand jaheira. If she is sooo good, how come she doesn't resurrect Kahlid?? Buy a scroll if she isn't high enough level yet. Carry out the corpse... utterly useless IMO

*apologies to all who like Jaheira. It really isn't your fault. Just having a bad hair day. In a fit of desperation I am replaying BG2 (again) and tried to put up with Jaheira but couldn't (again)*

Mini Me · Post by **Mini Me** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 2:02 pm

she is a harper and ressurecting him just to serve herself would be disrupting the balance. She can ressurect party members because that is to help defeat good or evil and stop large powers (such as irenicus) disrupting the balance themselves

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 2:34 pm

@mini me
I was being somewhat facetious regarding the ressurection of Khalid.... But since you bring it up I have to say it is a somewhat twisted (and unbalanced) view that Jaheira apparently has. All through BG1 we worked hard (those who had Khalid) to develop his NPC character and I for one was rather pleased with how well he functioned towards the end. In fact I preferred him to Minsc. Given that most others too had him as part of their party (and assumed in the BG2 first scenario) then he clearly was an integral part of the group fighting evil as so should have been resurrected. Surely the PC would have infuence over her decision (I would have liked him back). So I don't buy the "unbalanced act" argument at all.

And while I am on a gripe session, I never appreciated the fact that they made Imoen T/M. Her T level sucks and she is really not up to snuff on M by the time she is rescued relative to the rest of the party. Since the other thief

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is no longer available, Imoen as a straight T would have been much more useful. They could have arrested her at the beginning for using a wand or some such.

*wanders off to get some chocolate in an attempt to increase blood sugar levels*

Ron_Lugge · Post by **Ron_Lugge** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:00 pm

Originally posted by Grendel
I usually try to stay out of NPC bashing....but...can't stand jaheira. If she is sooo good, how come she doesn't resurrect Kahlid?? Buy a scroll if she isn't high enough level yet. Carry out the corpse... utterly useless IMO

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She couldn't do it because, in her words, "The body has been desecrated!"

In other words, she was dealing with a high-level mage (arch-mage, even!) who tortured him to death with no intent of letting him be revived. He damaged the body as badly as could be done without actualy destroying it. From the words used, I think that he did something along the lines of flaying the body, layer by layer (First the skin, then another layer that deep, then another, untill you have something that looks like a sliced dinner ham... only in human form)

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:15 pm

Originally posted by Ron_Lugge

She couldn't do it because, in her words, "The body has been desecrated!"

In other words, she was dealing with a high-level mage (arch-mage, even!) who tortured him to death with no intent of letting him be revived. He damaged the body as badly as could be done without actualy destroying it. From the words used, I think that he did something along the lines of flaying the body, layer by layer (First the skin, then another layer that deep, then another, untill you have something that looks like a sliced dinner ham... only in human form)

...well that put me off the chocolate... I still think it is a lame excuse but defer to your graphic interpretation of cause and effect..

Ron_Lugge · Post by **Ron_Lugge** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:19 pm

Originally posted by Grendel
...well that put me off the chocolate... I still think it is a lame excuse but defer to your graphic interpretation of cause and effect..

Sorry, I'm a fan-fic writer who has a vivid imagination, a strong stomache, and an absolute hatred of watering down stories to make them fit for "Decent people" to read.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:34 pm

Originally posted by Ron_Lugge
Sorry, I'm a fan-fic writer who has a vivid imagination, a strong stomache, and an absolute hatred of watering down stories to make them fit for "Decent people" to read.

Don't go calling me "Decent" now...them's fightin' words...

Published anything in the public domain?

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:35 pm

You could always take pity on her when see sees him dead and move to spare her the pain by ensuring she will accompany him into the great unknown.

I wouldn't do that personally though, since it's so much more fun to wait and use all the good stuff to torture Aerie endlessly.