I HATE ANOMEN!!

Jon-e-boy · Post by **Jon-e-boy** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 6:21 pm

not only does the man look like a jerk in training but he also sounds like one!, i decided to play a female this time around and i dont want that creep coming near me, but if i pretend i like him, can he get killed by bodhi? cuz watching him die would be worth it, did i mention i hate anomen? is there no way i can get someone like haer dalis to kiss my ass and beg for some luvin? did i say ass? i mean @$$

Minerva · Post by **Minerva** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 6:45 pm

Yep. And female character can romance only with him!!

I never go out a man like that...

There were many discussion about this earlier. Please try to find one.

mizuno · Post by **mizuno** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 6:55 pm

one very useful suggestion, switch off the speakers while he talks

arattanir · Post by **arattanir** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:03 pm

I understand you perfectly. I started playing with a female character just to watch if he is less of a jerk and after the first romance talk, I wondered if any women would date a guy with such an attitude.

Perhaps it will be fun watching him loose his knighthood chance after I counsel him to avenge his siter. Muahahaha......

As I understand it, you get to kill him after he is turned into a vampire. But I counsel you not to waste exp. taking him on your party when you can get Viconia or Jaheira or Cernd to throw healing spells. You may need to resurrect him latter.

Drakron Du´Dark · Post by **Drakron Du´Dark** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:18 pm

Amomen is .....Amomen, many have problems with him, in my first run I did not pick him in my party since I belived (wrong) that the "Blade" was the female romance, I played always as a female F/M elf, he is not a romantic guy nor his very good at sweeping a girl off her feet but he tries.
I have no problems with him being the female romance, another choice would be welcome but I have found sereval people that dont like Aerie or Jaheira or even Viconia, I found the Aerie romance the worst, if I would find someone like her I would try to be her friend but romancing someone like her, no.
He changes a lot after the knighood, so try seeing the way he his during the whole game not only see the way he is after the first convertations.
Now many dont agree with me on this but I am not asking for that.
Also the NPC attitudes will change in the Throne of Bhall, perhaps Sir Amomen will not be as Bad as you may think on that.

Drakron.

mizuno · Post by **mizuno** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:23 pm

i don't like his personality, but at least i don;t think he is crap or sucks cos i had him in my party and he did very well, got to lvl23 in the end of game and he rocked!!

fable · Post by **fable** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:31 pm

Any character can get to the highest level, given a good player and other, better NPCs in the party. But as a rule, I think Anomen is on the weak end of the NPC list. Until he makes his quest (and assuming he does), he's a lousy cleric with poor wisdom. As a fighter, he's negligible. I'd sooner have Jaheira, who at least has a ton of spells, and doesn't attack any of my other characters, if you take my meaning.

Drakron Du´Dark · Post by **Drakron Du´Dark** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:40 pm

Amomen personality changes after becaming Sir Amomen or if he fails the test (I am unsure about the way he bacames if he fails), he even apolozise to Keldron for being a moron.
His pick up lines are terrible but he does make a efort unlike Aerie "my wings this, my wings that, the avariel this, the araviel that (I belive that the Aerie romance is there to make Amomen look good),do you think that I am pretty ?....." THAT is just too much for one to take in my opinion.
Of course that Amomen and Aerie romances are the ones that rise more critics, Jaheira is because the lenght that takes (plus the bugs), the only one that see little critics is Viconia and why? because she is the male dream girl, naughty and hot.(and for the romantic types, she does have her moments)
The other ones are realistic, not perfect.
Most dont notice Amomen change because the selection sound does not change and its have more relevance in the romance, as I never notice Aerie anoying dialoges until I try the male romances, I hate her way in the romance but I like her as a NPC in a female character party (she looks like a little kid in there)
As for his cleric powers, well only if your character is a cleric (and have better stats that him) and Viconia can beat him in power but even he does have stronger points in that, he can (thanks to his Fighter class) became Master of Hammers something that neither Viconia or a strait Cleric can do.

Drakron.

mizuno · Post by **mizuno** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:47 pm

i thought anomen can be master of mace as well?

but my anomen had a lot more prist spells than jaheria, even in the middle stage of the game and he certainly became a lot better person after he passed the test.

Drakron Du´Dark · Post by **Drakron Du´Dark** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 7:57 pm

He can be master (or grand master if you remove the XP cap) of any cleric weapons but I always picture a cleric with a hammer. (besides good maces are hard to find, and that crom faeyr is just right for him to use)
His turning undead is just great, once I go in to that cript full of undead, activated the turn undead and boom, they blow up.
Also there is only 3 clerics in the game, Viconia is evil, Aerie is unable to cast the the higher level ones, that leaves him for good aligned partys (Jaheira is a druid, there is a diference of druid and Cleric spells, there is more to a cleric that healing spells).

mizuno · Post by **mizuno** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 8:05 pm

yes, cos my anomen was grand master of mace, i gave him the mace of disruption+2 and he did need to turn undead anymore

fable · Post by **fable** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:10 pm

"unlike Aerie "my wings this, my wings that, the avariel this, the araviel that (I belive that the Aerie romance is there to make Amomen look good),do you think that I am pretty ?.....""

A word for Aerie, if I may. She has been enslaved, beaten, had her wings destroyed--understandably, she has severe confidence issues. I suspect a little more spunk in her as she "grew" through the game would have helped make her more interesting to players, or at least a revelation of some of the more ugly episodes in her life.

It's funny, really--some European games (such as The Longest Journey) go far more into a statement of true abuse than American games, which are certainly tops on the violent list. (And no, I've got nothing against violent games. Hell, I'll take a warrior mage and hack or blast the crap out of anything, thanks.) This leads me to wonder if the developers thought it best to soft pedal Aerie's experiences after making very general statements about them.

In any case, she presents an interesting departure from the usual female NPC. As much, in fact, can be said for Viconia, Nalia, Mazzy and Jaheira: all present very unstereotypical fantasy women, and that's good to see.

Drakron Du´Dark · Post by **Drakron Du´Dark** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:38 pm

Bioware is canadian......
Viconia does have her moments of weakness, she not only deserted her family and her people (Drows are Elves, all elves call thenselfs a word that I cannot remener righ now but neans "the people" all others are "not people" the Drows call the other elven subraces that word) but having a hard time in the surface and with her felings towards the character.
The same goes for Jaheira in a sense, she is always trying to be stronger, she lost Khalid and before that her parents, she likes your character but she is afraid of telling that.
Mazzy is so diferent from the other halflings that I am not even starting to point out difences.
Yes its quite nice to see that NPCs have a personality in BG II, unlike in BG I (in IWD is pointless since it was never intented in the first place) were they never said anything after joining.
I dont like the romance, I know that for a Avariel (any Avariel) to lose its wings its the worst thing that can happen, that avariel is the pity of all, that is their culture, I like Aerie outside the romance lines, she talks about her faith with Keldorn and Mazzy and she is still growing up, but like I said its the Amomen and Aerie romances that takes more of the critics, I never said that I wanted to kill Aerie, she is a valuable party member, and I never will, so far only Edwin in BG I had a me killing him (to protect Dynaheir).

fable · Post by **fable** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:13 pm

Drakon, perhaps I should have been clearer. When I said "American," I meant the US and Canada; correspondingly, when I said "European," I was thinking of French, German, and Scandanavian titles.

Drakron Du´Dark · Post by **Drakron Du´Dark** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 10:42 pm

I know, I was making a joke about it

I am just defending Amomen because he (and Aerie) recive a lot of critics (because of the romance), people that have just join here and are starting to play the game could be turn off of choising then because of that, that is why I defend then (long ago, there was a topic called "torturing Aerie", were I and other defended Aerie [that was prior to me playing Aerie Romance, but even after that I still like having her in my party] from another that did not like her),
as long that a topic start to attack one of the NPCs only because of the romance, I will give my 2 cents (Well, my country join the Euro, so I will have to deal with cents very soon) worth on that matter.

fable · Post by **fable** » Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:39 pm

Drakron, with due respect to you and your country, consider casting Insect Plague on your politicians if they dragged you into the Euro debacle.

arattanir · Post by **arattanir** » Fri Mar 16, 2001 7:20 pm

I found Aerie annoying, but indispensable on my team. She is a walking arsenal of spells. So even if you don't like "my wings" dialogue, you have to respect the way she can help your party.

However, Anomen does not live to expectations, as Jaheira serves as a better fighter and Viconia as a better cleric. Besides he is arrogant (even after they make him a Knight).
Hmmm. Another posibility for a female is to follow up his romance and then at a critical moment tell him to shut up. Then you can use Shadowkeeper to Setanomenmatch to one again and torture him over and over with an impossible romance. (Oops I did it again....)

mizuno · Post by **mizuno** » Sat Mar 17, 2001 7:36 am

yes, but the best fighter/cleric class is anomen, he was very good at cleric and was a tank in my game, i've found aerie and anomen are both annoying but since i was playing good alignment, they are very valuable to my party, anomen improves when he got knighted. aerie is just a 10 yrs old kid (mentally),just put up with her .

bioware did hint that they might (they are trying) add mazzy into new romence, they would be good, but i hope they'll add some more romance for female character, at least more choices,

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Wed Jul 31, 2002 9:14 am

Well Odie, aren't we just on a crusade today...

I truly get tired of this "Viconia is a so much better Cleric"-rambling. Her MR is of course very nice and she gets a few low level bonus spells. Except for that, Anomen is better in every single way.

First, should we take a look at the bonus spell chart:

Lvl 1 2 3 4
Wis
13 1 -- -- --
14 2 -- -- --
15 2 1 -- --
16 2 2 -- --
17 2 2 1 --
18 2 2 1 1

It might make a notisable difference in the early stages of the game, but - for crying out loud! - is it even worth mentioning later on? And not to forget, should Anomen succeed his tests, his WIS will be raised to 16.

Viconia comes with a 65 % MR which, by various items, can be buffed higher. However, the Cloak of Balduran isn't even originally in the game, only a truly evil PC (which most of us don't play) would consider slaying a Silver Dragon and create an armor of human leather and, finally, using items that raises her MR further also means not using the other good items that have to be worn/carried in the same places (i.e. a shield that adds 5 % MR is nice, but the Shield of Harmony will still be better).

Anomen has around twice Viconia's HPs, he doesn't need a Girdle of Strength in order to carry basic stuff such as a Plate Mail, a Medium Shield or a Flail. He has a far lower THAC0, he can Grand Master in any clerical weapon, he doesn't take damage from Smite Evil (one of the best clerical spells IMHO), he'll blow up undead when Turning...

I currently use Anomen as my (only) tank. He has a bit over 50 % of the experience value and kills. I also have Viconia in my party. Her corresponding number is around 10 %, which equals that of my other party members (the PC Bard Machiavelli, Jaheira, Jan and Imoen).

A tip for those who don't want another tank: Give Anomen the Bracers of Dexterity, Grand Mastery in Sling and the Sling of Seeking. Then watch...

Ode to a Grasshopper · Wed Jul 31, 2002 9:15 am

He's also the only fighter/cleric class in the game...

EDIT-Having deleted my previous post in an experiment, I'll recap. Viccy, when given the Cloak of Balduran (which is,IIRC, available in the Solaufein mod) and she gets 90% MR, without any other items. There's an abundance of strength items in the game, so her strength isn't that big a deal, and her low CON is balanced by her high dexterity and ability to wear good armor.