I'm trying to decide on my party before I exit irenicus' prison. I just beat BG1 for the first time and promptly Imported my Paladin. What Im thinking is...
Morgan(Cavalier)
Minsc
Jaheira
Yoshimo
Aerie
Nalia
Im not sure if having Nalie and Aerie would be partial over kill with mage even though aerie is multi. I was thinking of replacing Nalia with keldorn but Im not sure if two paladin's is too much.(plus three chars with two handed sword proficiency since my main char has it specifically for casomyr and other paladin weapons)
Also Yoshimo is only there until I get imoen back. Especially since Im currently running the Imoen Romance mod. Maybe I could replace Aerie with viconia or Jaheira with Keldorn(but no viconia) Bahh I donno. lol.
decent party?
For the general question of if that is a decent party, yes it can certainly beat the game(on my first time through, that is essentially the party I had except my PC was a ranger). But, the more important thing is if you want to play with that party.
As for Viconia, I would keep her out unless you have the mod for keeping everyone happy since she will be having fits as your reputation continues to rise. The last thing you need is for your only healer to run out on you.
If you really want your cavalier, Keldron, and Minsc, try having them focus on different weapons. I know they can all do well with the two-handed sword but i believe Minsc also starts out with two proficiencies in maces. True, there is a somewhat of a dearth of maces at times but at least you will have one good source of crushing damage. You might also consider dropping your proficiencies into other weapons so that Keldorn can focus on the two-handed swords, or if you really want to be the two-handed sword person, you might just have Keldorn use his crossbow most of the time.
As for who to drop, I would drop Aerie ahead of Jaheira since you will get a second mage when you rescue Imoen, but if you really are not bothered by frying things with three mages, then drop Jaheira.
As for Viconia, I would keep her out unless you have the mod for keeping everyone happy since she will be having fits as your reputation continues to rise. The last thing you need is for your only healer to run out on you.
If you really want your cavalier, Keldron, and Minsc, try having them focus on different weapons. I know they can all do well with the two-handed sword but i believe Minsc also starts out with two proficiencies in maces. True, there is a somewhat of a dearth of maces at times but at least you will have one good source of crushing damage. You might also consider dropping your proficiencies into other weapons so that Keldorn can focus on the two-handed swords, or if you really want to be the two-handed sword person, you might just have Keldorn use his crossbow most of the time.
As for who to drop, I would drop Aerie ahead of Jaheira since you will get a second mage when you rescue Imoen, but if you really are not bothered by frying things with three mages, then drop Jaheira.
If I understand you correctly, once you rescue Imoen, your party will consist of:
Morgan(Cavalier)
Minsc
Jaheira
Imoen
Aerie
Nalia
That sounds like a pretty decent party to me. I like having lots of spellcasters in my party.
If you want to have Imoen in your party, I suggest that you rescue her as soon as possible instead of doing all of the sidequests without her. This is especially true if you plan to use the Imoen Romance MOD.
I don't see any problem with having two Paladins in your party, so you can replace Nalia with Keldorn if you feel like it. His True Sight and Dispel Magic can really come in handy. You don't need to have two Carsomyrs to make it worthwhile.
As an alternative, you could replace Nalia with Anomen; it's nice to have a high level Cleric who can turn undead, and he's a great melee warrior in his own right. Since he is restricted to Cleric weapons, you can equip him with some cool Maces, Flails, or Hammers and equip your other characters with Two-Handed Swords or whatever else you want to use.
The truth is, I don't think that ANY combination of characters is bad, unless you're trying to beat the game with nothing but Transmuters in your party or something like that. Just pick the NPCs you like and you'll do fine.
Morgan(Cavalier)
Minsc
Jaheira
Imoen
Aerie
Nalia
That sounds like a pretty decent party to me. I like having lots of spellcasters in my party.
If you want to have Imoen in your party, I suggest that you rescue her as soon as possible instead of doing all of the sidequests without her. This is especially true if you plan to use the Imoen Romance MOD.
I don't see any problem with having two Paladins in your party, so you can replace Nalia with Keldorn if you feel like it. His True Sight and Dispel Magic can really come in handy. You don't need to have two Carsomyrs to make it worthwhile.
As an alternative, you could replace Nalia with Anomen; it's nice to have a high level Cleric who can turn undead, and he's a great melee warrior in his own right. Since he is restricted to Cleric weapons, you can equip him with some cool Maces, Flails, or Hammers and equip your other characters with Two-Handed Swords or whatever else you want to use.The truth is, I don't think that ANY combination of characters is bad, unless you're trying to beat the game with nothing but Transmuters in your party or something like that.
Just pick the NPCs you like and you'll do fine.
My 2 gp worth..
Your party is fine - mine was almost identical the first time, except my main was a wizard slayer GM in longsword with NO missile or dual wield proficiencies
You've got all the bases covered adequately, with a good strong heavy line and plenty of priestly and arcane spell power, though you'll be a bit light in thievery (but enough). Short of VonDondu's party - or maybe a transmuter/beastmaster party you'll do fine
There's no such thing as overkill in magery - but have you considered a sorceror in lieu of the whiney Nalia? Kelsey and Tashia are both fine MOD NPCs, or you can always hack Edwin to sorceror - make him LG while you're at it for some really funky dialogue
Have fun!
Your party is fine - mine was almost identical the first time, except my main was a wizard slayer GM in longsword with NO missile or dual wield proficiencies
You've got all the bases covered adequately, with a good strong heavy line and plenty of priestly and arcane spell power, though you'll be a bit light in thievery (but enough). Short of VonDondu's party - or maybe a transmuter/beastmaster party you'll do fine
There's no such thing as overkill in magery - but have you considered a sorceror in lieu of the whiney Nalia? Kelsey and Tashia are both fine MOD NPCs, or you can always hack Edwin to sorceror - make him LG while you're at it for some really funky dialogue
Have fun!
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It's a good, average party that covers all the bases. Once you play through, you may want to try something more exotic--perhaps using some of the interesting NPC party mods that are out there, or eliminating certain abilities from the party (such as no mages, or no clerics, or no thieves). Regardless, stick with what you've got. It's good.
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Hmm, after hearing all this I have the weirdest inclanation of going with
Morgan(Cavalier)
Minsc
Keldorn
Anomen
Yoshimo/Imoen
Aerie
I'll still have two mages once I get Imoen back but Ill also have two clerics and there's just something that appeals to with having three chars whom will have ties with the radiant heart.
Morgan(Cavalier)
Minsc
Keldorn
Anomen
Yoshimo/Imoen
Aerie
I'll still have two mages once I get Imoen back but Ill also have two clerics and there's just something that appeals to with having three chars whom will have ties with the radiant heart.
[QUOTE=Hitman84]...there's just something that appeals to with having three chars who will have ties with the radiant heart.[/QUOTE]
If you feel that way, then let it be your source of inspiration. Instead of merely using the characters in your party as tools to kill monsters, try thinking of them as real people and try to figure out WHY they are in your party and WHAT they are trying to accomplish.
I see a lot of potential. For example, let's suppose that Morgan always wanted to fight for justice and be a hero. He must have felt pretty isolated at Candlekeep and dreamed about joining an Order of Paladins. His ordeal with Sarevok--first running away from him and then hunting him down to ruin his plans and defeat him--was a great way to prove himself, but it also introduced a new challenge: how to fight the evil within HIMSELF. As luck and fate would have it, he meets the most noble and most distinguished member of the Radiant Heart, Keldorn, who can accompany him on his journeys and offer him spiritual guidance. He also meets Anomen along the way, a fellow initiate who wants to become a full-fledged member of the Order. Anomen is a gloryhound and a bit of pest, but deep down, his devotion to Helm is true, and he is a worthy companion. Together, you face the enormous challenges that your heritage brings into your life, and there's no denying that you are making a difference in the world.
Minsc and Boo are a powerful Fist for Justice and Righteousness. If you want heroes in your party, they will fit right in. He is already a member of an "order" of sorts, but surely he would be welcome as a guest at the Order of the Radiant Heart.
Aerie is a Lawful Good character and a woman of faith. I'm not sure what your exact reasons would be for letting her join your party. Merely having some useful skills and wanting to be an adventurer isn't really enough. Does she truly believe in your cause and your quest? Or what the heck, you can romance her, and maybe that's enough.
Imoen is your faithful childhood companion. She is also a damsel in distress, and it is your duty to rescue her. But why do you want her to be in your party? Why is your quest important to her? How does it concern her?
I can think of other NPCs who would suit your party, such as Mazzy, but you have to limit the size of your party. You ought to ask yourself why each of them would want to join you in your quest, and then you might decide THAT is why you want them with you. You are on a very important mission, one that can shake all of Faerun.
If you feel that way, then let it be your source of inspiration. Instead of merely using the characters in your party as tools to kill monsters, try thinking of them as real people and try to figure out WHY they are in your party and WHAT they are trying to accomplish.
I see a lot of potential. For example, let's suppose that Morgan always wanted to fight for justice and be a hero. He must have felt pretty isolated at Candlekeep and dreamed about joining an Order of Paladins. His ordeal with Sarevok--first running away from him and then hunting him down to ruin his plans and defeat him--was a great way to prove himself, but it also introduced a new challenge: how to fight the evil within HIMSELF. As luck and fate would have it, he meets the most noble and most distinguished member of the Radiant Heart, Keldorn, who can accompany him on his journeys and offer him spiritual guidance. He also meets Anomen along the way, a fellow initiate who wants to become a full-fledged member of the Order. Anomen is a gloryhound and a bit of pest, but deep down, his devotion to Helm is true, and he is a worthy companion. Together, you face the enormous challenges that your heritage brings into your life, and there's no denying that you are making a difference in the world.
Minsc and Boo are a powerful Fist for Justice and Righteousness. If you want heroes in your party, they will fit right in.
He is already a member of an "order" of sorts, but surely he would be welcome as a guest at the Order of the Radiant Heart.Aerie is a Lawful Good character and a woman of faith. I'm not sure what your exact reasons would be for letting her join your party. Merely having some useful skills and wanting to be an adventurer isn't really enough. Does she truly believe in your cause and your quest? Or what the heck, you can romance her, and maybe that's enough.
Imoen is your faithful childhood companion. She is also a damsel in distress, and it is your duty to rescue her. But why do you want her to be in your party? Why is your quest important to her? How does it concern her?
I can think of other NPCs who would suit your party, such as Mazzy, but you have to limit the size of your party. You ought to ask yourself why each of them would want to join you in your quest, and then you might decide THAT is why you want them with you. You are on a very important mission, one that can shake all of Faerun.
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Hey just pointing out that that party will kill undead like none other u have 3 (or 4 i can't remember) but 3 at least who can turn undead. It is also good against mages Aerie is mage and cleric so u can load her with anti magic spells eg. pierce magic, miscast magic, etc. and u have Keldorn who can dispell and detect illusions, Imoen another mage for anti magic spells, Amnoen who is a very good cleric with plenty of space for extra dispell magic and miscast magic. It is good at melee (You, Minsc, Keldorn, Amnoen) it is lacking in Thieving and raged though so u might drop Imoen for Jan 1st Jan is halarious, 2nd he has lots of cool stuff to help his weak stats 3rd he's a multi class so his thieving will continue to improve and his HP will get some help from lots of thief level ups 4th he is a specialist mage so he gets more spells 5th did i mention he's halarious 6th you can get him early so he will be much higher level then Imoen when u get to spellhold
PS u might want to drop him in Brynnlaw just so u can get Imoen out of the Asylum and not feel so guilty and then u can pick jan back up before u leave for underdark/saughen city
PS u might want to drop him in Brynnlaw just so u can get Imoen out of the Asylum and not feel so guilty and then u can pick jan back up before u leave for underdark/saughen city
Well, here's what I would do with your party (though this is only what I would do). Note that this is from a powergaming point of view.
Morgan(Cavalier) - two handed swords, eventually get Carsomyr (obviously). Also have Daystar on hand for Sunray.
Minsc - do twohanded swords at first, but build up profiencies (or use an editor) in dualwielding, hammers, and flails. This way, you can eventually have him put Crom Faeyr in his offhand, and switch between Mace of Disruption and Flail of the Ages.
Jaheira - Best romance option, in my opinion. Equip with a good club(Blackblood is a good one, found at the Druid Grove) or a sling. Druid spells rock, too.
Yoshimo/Imoen - Eventually equip Immy with a bow.
Aerie - Sling all the way, baby. Her cleric spells are good and are nicely completemented by mage spells.
Nalia - I'd drop her, but that's just me.
In exchange, you could have Mazzy, who is dynamite with a bow.
You could have Edwin for pure destructive power, but he's evil.
Keldorn is a bit redundent since you already have a paladin. Keldorn's only use would be his Inquistor abilities (True Sight and Dispel Magic at twice his level, which is awesome on Liches).
I think the best choice would be Jan. He's hilarious, offers some new thief possibilities (since he's multi, not dual), and uses a crossbow. His personal ammo that he can make have stunned major enemies for me before. Plus, he's a good mage.
Dropping Jaheira for Anomen isn't a bad idea, either. You'll lose out on Druid spells, but you'll gain a lot in Cleric power. Also, now that you have a cleric, you can even drop Aerie for whomever (a romance object, perhaps, depending on who you want). There are many mods that add NPCs, from Kelsey, Tashia, Solufienan (sp?), etc, all whom have romance dialogues IIRC. Also, there are romance mods for both Nalia and Imoen, I believe.
Granted, if you have ToB, then leave the 6th spot blank until you get the new NPC.
From a roleplayer's point of view, your party is fine. Jan and Keldorn would be excellent choices, as well as the new NPC in the expansion.
Morgan(Cavalier) - two handed swords, eventually get Carsomyr (obviously). Also have Daystar on hand for Sunray.
Minsc - do twohanded swords at first, but build up profiencies (or use an editor) in dualwielding, hammers, and flails. This way, you can eventually have him put Crom Faeyr in his offhand, and switch between Mace of Disruption and Flail of the Ages.
Jaheira - Best romance option, in my opinion. Equip with a good club(Blackblood is a good one, found at the Druid Grove) or a sling. Druid spells rock, too.
Yoshimo/Imoen - Eventually equip Immy with a bow.
Aerie - Sling all the way, baby. Her cleric spells are good and are nicely completemented by mage spells.
Nalia - I'd drop her, but that's just me.
In exchange, you could have Mazzy, who is dynamite with a bow.
You could have Edwin for pure destructive power, but he's evil.
Keldorn is a bit redundent since you already have a paladin. Keldorn's only use would be his Inquistor abilities (True Sight and Dispel Magic at twice his level, which is awesome on Liches).
I think the best choice would be Jan. He's hilarious, offers some new thief possibilities (since he's multi, not dual), and uses a crossbow. His personal ammo that he can make have stunned major enemies for me before. Plus, he's a good mage.
Dropping Jaheira for Anomen isn't a bad idea, either. You'll lose out on Druid spells, but you'll gain a lot in Cleric power. Also, now that you have a cleric, you can even drop Aerie for whomever (a romance object, perhaps, depending on who you want). There are many mods that add NPCs, from Kelsey, Tashia, Solufienan (sp?), etc, all whom have romance dialogues IIRC. Also, there are romance mods for both Nalia and Imoen, I believe.
Granted, if you have ToB, then leave the 6th spot blank until you get the new NPC.
From a roleplayer's point of view, your party is fine. Jan and Keldorn would be excellent choices, as well as the new NPC in the expansion.
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[QUOTE=Hitman84]not my first time through but the second time mabey. Im hopeing the valen expansion is finished by then. Probably put an evil party together with valen sol me, viconia(romance interest) and whatever else I chose. but thats after my first play through.[/QUOTE]
Valen's been around for ever - what expansion do you refer to?
[QUOTE=Hitman84]not my first time through but the second time mabey. Im hopeing the valen expansion is finished by then. Probably put an evil party together with valen sol me, viconia(romance interest) and whatever else I chose. but thats after my first play through.[/QUOTE]
Valen's been around for ever - what expansion do you refer to?
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why isnt the name 'edwin' mentioned in this thread at all?? he is no doubt the most powerful mage npc in SOA & ToB as he has like twice as much spells as every other mage plus a high constitution. In fact i cant imagine bg without edwin lol. My advice: everyone who is using someone like aerie or nalia, Drop them, and recruit Edwin instead. Nalia is worse than aerie in abilities but Aerie is a dreadful personality to have in the party (eg Constant complaining, arguments with others, RACISM).
Yeah, but Edwin gets into conflicts with almost everybody. (Well not really, but with characters you'd rather keep in your party). Edwin has another 3 spell slots per level than other mages (except for Jan: Edwin has two more than him). So Edwin is safest in evil parties. Aerie isn't that bad (or so I've heard, because personally I don't like her. ) cos she can cast arcane and divine spells, and thus buffing spells and the like (prayer etc) can be used in spell sequencers. I'm not sure if the Robe of Vecna affects divine casting, but if it does, then Aerie would be a much more powerful cleric than Viconia.
) cos she can cast arcane and divine spells, and thus buffing spells and the like (prayer etc) can be used in spell sequencers. I'm not sure if the Robe of Vecna affects divine casting, but if it does, then Aerie would be a much more powerful cleric than Viconia.-
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edwin only ever fight with minsc and that doesnt happen in all the games for some strange reason, otherwise he doesnt really conflict with anyone. Even if in a good party, as long as you maintain a reputation of less than 18 then edwin happy (as is the case with most evil npcs).
But his superior wizardry power simly blasts everyone away, im dont know if he has 3 more spells/level than everyone else (in my memory he had way more) because his Conjuerer and Amulet bonus he has even more spells than even the main pc himself (unless u hack urself up with shadowkeeper)
IMO, 2nd best npc, Sarevok is the king lol
But his superior wizardry power simly blasts everyone away, im dont know if he has 3 more spells/level than everyone else (in my memory he had way more) because his Conjuerer and Amulet bonus he has even more spells than even the main pc himself (unless u hack urself up with shadowkeeper)
IMO, 2nd best npc, Sarevok is the king lol
while i agree Edwin is the best mage in the game, his conflicts with Minsc do happen a lot. but with so many fighters, a case could be made for Minsc to be dropped anyway.
and the robe of vecna does indeed affect arcane spellcasting. Aerie+robe of vecna+amulet of power (tho i usually give her sensate amulet)+fortress shield+crom = painfully solid spellcaster.
and the robe of vecna does indeed affect arcane spellcasting. Aerie+robe of vecna+amulet of power (tho i usually give her sensate amulet)+fortress shield+crom = painfully solid spellcaster.
[QUOTE=nephtu]Valen's been around for ever - what expansion do you refer to?[/QUOTE]
http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=14940.0
It isn't the ooriginal mod creator who's doing the work(but has blessing of he it seems) but the mod is being expanded so that valen basically has interjections and dialogue concering alot of the areas/quests/NPCs in the game. Also a romance will be added according to the forum.
BTW edwin was intended and would definatly be apart of an evil party if I were to put one together. I would have taken viconia in this good party just because I love the drow, have a fascination with them but didn't see the point if keldorn would just beat the crud outta her or she just leaves once my rep gets high enough, much like she did in BG1.
http://forums.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=14940.0
It isn't the ooriginal mod creator who's doing the work(but has blessing of he it seems) but the mod is being expanded so that valen basically has interjections and dialogue concering alot of the areas/quests/NPCs in the game. Also a romance will be added according to the forum.
BTW edwin was intended and would definatly be apart of an evil party if I were to put one together. I would have taken viconia in this good party just because I love the drow, have a fascination with them but didn't see the point if keldorn would just beat the crud outta her or she just leaves once my rep gets high enough, much like she did in BG1.