Level up

Lost One · Post by **Lost One** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:16 pm

Alright, it was actually a friend that installed the french version of Morrowind on my computer, and he put in an expansion too.

Now, I hear that when you learn with the trainers, you also level up, but this does not happen with me. I only level up when I learn each skill manually. Could this be the result of the expansion I have (not sure which one it is) or a bug maybe?

Maruchan · Post by **Maruchan** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:36 pm

it may be a bug a way to possibly tell is to start a new game and see if it is the same

Lost One · Post by **Lost One** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:49 pm

I just now figured out that you level up by training only if you train a major or minor skill. Training misc skills does not help you level up.

Loredweller · Post by **Loredweller** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:24 am

[QUOTE=Lost One]I just now figured out that you level up by training only if you train a major or minor skill. Training misc skills does not help you level up.[/QUOTE]
... just like as they do not count if developed in deed.
Altogether i woud like just to warn not to be excited too much with leveling up. Coming from plain level-based games players often are under some "level hypnosis". One should get used with the fact that in Morrowind level by itself means virtually nothing (if you do not count the impact on random item selection and level (and sometimes number) of random monsters). The most important part of level system in MW is in changing the attributes.

Lost One · Post by **Lost One** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:11 am

I also read that you level up after improving major/minor skills 10 times. This means that if all major skills start at 35, and all minor skills start at 15...by the time they all reach 100, you should have levelled up 75 times.

Which makes me wonder how I saw a post with some guy who reached level 125 or something like that.

I know I'm obsessed with levels...but I'm also thinking that going to prison and lowering your skills might be a good way to gain levels. You lower your skills, pay a low price to raise them, then go to jail and lower them again. Of course this is stupid, but it might account as to how that person reached such a high level.

Anyway, as you said, attributes are the most important, and I heard that the best way to level up is to raise a major/minor skill (or attribute related...like all based on agility) by 10 points...and practise 2 miscellaneous skills (only need one point) for different attributes. This way you get 5x, 2x, 2x.

Davidetuna · Post by **Davidetuna** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:25 am

[QUOTE=Loredweller]... just like as they do not count if developed in deed.
Altogether i woud like just to warn not to be excited too much with leveling up. Coming from plain level-based games players often are under some "level hypnosis". One should get used with the fact that in Morrowind level by itself means virtually nothing (if you do not count the impact on random item selection and level (and sometimes number) of random monsters). The most important part of level system in MW is in changing the attributes.[/QUOTE]

I agree, even if you got lvl 100 in Athletics, you can only run at you Speed Attribute lvl. So, level up the Attributes, it makes more impact when you play.

Loredweller · Post by **Loredweller** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:00 pm

[QUOTE=Lost One]I also read that you level up after improving major/minor skills 10 times. This means that if all major skills start at 35, and all minor skills start at 15...by the time they all reach 100, you should have levelled up 75 times.

......

Anyway, as you said, attributes are the most important, and I heard that the best way to level up is to raise a major/minor skill (or attribute related...like all based on agility) by 10 points...and practise 2 miscellaneous skills (only need one point) for different attributes. This way you get 5x, 2x, 2x.

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Don't worry, you do not have to level 75 times to get next 75 points. The minimum is al the same 25 levels. Have you noticed you can add to 3 attributes up to potentially 5 points each when you're gaining new level? So, if you have gotten 10 skill points in skills depending on Strength (say 3 in Armorer + 7 in Blunt), you are offered to add 5 to strength if you wish.

Rane · Post by **Rane** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:05 pm

[QUOTE=Davidetuna]I agree, even if you got lvl 100 in Athletics, you can only run at you Speed Attribute lvl. So, level up the Attributes, it makes more impact when you play.[/QUOTE]

Well you need to have 100 in Speed to be able to have 100 in Athletics since you cannot train your skill above its governing attribute.

Loredweller · Post by **Loredweller** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:07 pm

@LostOne
BTW, i usually try to max the Endurance growth (Heavy/Medium Armors and Spear) at first stage of the game because the growth of Health with advancing in level depends on Endurance (10% ot so, IIRC).

Loredweller · Post by **Loredweller** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:12 pm

[QUOTE=Rane]Well you need to have 100 in Speed to be able to have 100 in Athletics since you cannot train your skill above its governing attribute.[/QUOTE]
Not necessary. First, you can develop the skill in action without raising the attribute.
Then you can boost your attribute temporary, just for the moment of calling the teacher (either by potion or by spell).

Rane · Post by **Rane** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:17 pm

Not necessary. First, you can develop the skill in action without raising the attribute.

Is this true? Hmmm, must have missed on that one. Truth is use every trainer I come across so I rarely upgrade my skills by action.

Then you can boost your attribute temporary, just for the moment of calling the teacher (either by potion or by spell).

Well this still means your Attribute has to be higher. Even though it's only temporary it is higher when you train your skill. So what I said still stands true.

Loredweller · Post by **Loredweller** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:36 pm

[QUOTE=Rane]Is this true? Hmmm, must have missed on that one. Truth is use every trainer I come across so I rarely upgrade my skills by action. [/QUOTE]

How are you playing then? The skills raise on every sucessful use If you keep the track of the skill's bar you can see it, and as soon as the bar is full the skill number increases and the bar becomes empty again. So i just wonder how it is possible to play without using the skills (and to get the money required for training)

[QUOTE=Rane]
Well this still means your Attribute has to be higher. Even though it's only temporary it is higher when you train your skill. So what I said still stands true.[/QUOTE]

Well, the effective attribute has, altogether in fact it's still lower.

Rane · Post by **Rane** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:46 pm

How are you playing then? The skills raise on every sucessful use If you keep the track of the skill's bar you can see it, and as soon as the bar is full the skill number increases and the bar becomes empty again. So i just wonder how it is possible to play without using the skills (and to get the money required for training)

Well as for the skills I hardly use anything except my loyal longblade. And when I go around slashing stuff I really don't keep track of when it says that my skill leveled up. Then there's athletics and acrobatics. Same thing there.
I can't remember how it was when I played my wizard in Morrowind. After all that was over a year ago, and I just started playing again a few months ago.

At the moment I have a bunch of mods enabled and my character is packing a huge amount of constant effect items so my attributes are in the hundreds. I know it may sound unbalanced but I'm not in it for the challenge at the moment, instead I'm trying to find each and every quest and search for all the small secrets.

And as what comes to the money, well, let's just say I've found quite a lot in the ancestral tombs and daedra shrines out there.

Loredweller · Post by **Loredweller** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:31 pm

[QUOTE=Rane]Well as for the skills I hardly use anything except my loyal longblade. And when I go around slashing stuff I really don't keep track of when it says that my skill leveled up. ...[/QUOTE] It does not, you have to check it by yourself to see. Altogether anyway, the Longsword skill goes with Strength ...

[QUOTE=Rane]
And as what comes to the money, well, let's just say I've found quite a lot in the ancestral tombs and daedra shrines out there.[/QUOTE] And not by sacral phrase. heh?

They often are heavely guarded, you know

Well, i see our tastes is different. It's just the development of my PC what's most of fun for me