Mandalore (Spoiler)
Mandalore without Helmet
I think he aged. And he looks like he's seen better days. What do you think? Oh yeah, I am not sure if you can actually get him to take off his helm if you got high enough standing with him or if that is content that never made it into the release version of the game.
Mandalore
One possible ending of KOTOR1 is that Canderous is "dead". Maybe he doesn't remove his armour/helmet to suggest that he might have some nasty disfiguring permenant injury. Remember Malak's disfiguring crippling injury from KOTOR1? Of course it would have been cool to SEE that in KOTOR2 if true, but another possible KOTOR1 ending is that Canderous is a "hero". No "crippling disfigurment" explanation need apply in that case, although anything could have happened in 5 years.
My thought is that if Revan was DS, s/he sent Canderous back (perhaps rescues him personally to do this) to help prepare a cadre of Warriors (not merely Soldiers). If Revan was LS, s/he may have simply left without saying "boo" to him, with the expectation that if simply left alive he'd do that much automatically.
Personally, I'm a bit dissapointed that Canderous looks so NorEuro/NeoNazi/WASP-ish. I think it would have been VERY cool if Canderous had been shown from the beginning with darker hair and skin with a more Polynesian look to him. Jango Fett was supposed to have been the "last" of the Mandalorians (5000yr post-KOTOR) and I'd imagine the Mandalorians to keep pretty pure bloodlines so it would have been a cool little bit to see some subtle hint of that heritage in KOTOR-era Mandalorians. And Canderous is one of the only you see without full armour. Canderous should look like The Rock, not a North Dakota State Trooper.
My thought is that if Revan was DS, s/he sent Canderous back (perhaps rescues him personally to do this) to help prepare a cadre of Warriors (not merely Soldiers). If Revan was LS, s/he may have simply left without saying "boo" to him, with the expectation that if simply left alive he'd do that much automatically.
Personally, I'm a bit dissapointed that Canderous looks so NorEuro/NeoNazi/WASP-ish. I think it would have been VERY cool if Canderous had been shown from the beginning with darker hair and skin with a more Polynesian look to him. Jango Fett was supposed to have been the "last" of the Mandalorians (5000yr post-KOTOR) and I'd imagine the Mandalorians to keep pretty pure bloodlines so it would have been a cool little bit to see some subtle hint of that heritage in KOTOR-era Mandalorians. And Canderous is one of the only you see without full armour. Canderous should look like The Rock, not a North Dakota State Trooper.
Oh come on, what does the race matter? I am personally tired of all the retarded political correctness when every movie/game has to have black guy, asian girl, and someone whose sexuality is ambigously defined. Also what does North Dakota have do with anything? For many foreginers most Americans look all more or less alike anyway. Not that this product was intended to sell well outside of NA/Europe - but, then, Canderous's appearance makes good sense, doesn't it?
The pic though - SO COOL!
The pic though - SO COOL!
Cim
[QUOTE=cim]Also what does North Dakota have do with anything?[/QUOTE]
Historically, a lot of NorEuro immigrants settled in the northern plains states. By demographic, descendants of NorEuro immigrants comprise a majority of the police forces of northern plains states. Caucasian males of NorEuro descent and northern plains states (or Canada) residency are more stereotypically associated with the full beard look.
What does "race" have to do with anything? Sales. Demographics. Marketing appeal. Why does KOTOR even allow female PCs in the first place? Female gamers - who ought to be pissed that KOTOR2 throws them the lame Disciple instead of the awesome "wisdom bonuses now add to dex bonuses" Handmaiden.
Sidenote: Handmaiden's ability appears to allow Wis+Dex modifers for EVERYTHING that Dex was a modifier to, not just melee or AC bonuses, and conversely the sum of the Wis+Dex modifier is what is compared to the max bonus allowed from armour (if you bother wearing it). This quirk makes "Male LS" potentially the most powerful pure-defensive build in the game (Handmaiden's bonus, LS buffs, single-blade).
Historically, a lot of NorEuro immigrants settled in the northern plains states. By demographic, descendants of NorEuro immigrants comprise a majority of the police forces of northern plains states. Caucasian males of NorEuro descent and northern plains states (or Canada) residency are more stereotypically associated with the full beard look.
What does "race" have to do with anything? Sales. Demographics. Marketing appeal. Why does KOTOR even allow female PCs in the first place? Female gamers - who ought to be pissed that KOTOR2 throws them the lame Disciple instead of the awesome "wisdom bonuses now add to dex bonuses" Handmaiden.
Sidenote: Handmaiden's ability appears to allow Wis+Dex modifers for EVERYTHING that Dex was a modifier to, not just melee or AC bonuses, and conversely the sum of the Wis+Dex modifier is what is compared to the max bonus allowed from armour (if you bother wearing it). This quirk makes "Male LS" potentially the most powerful pure-defensive build in the game (Handmaiden's bonus, LS buffs, single-blade).
Thanks for the historical info, Grishankh (Tolkien orc, right ?)
Of course race matters - I think I phrased my opening remark incorectly - more precise question would have been, "Why would anybody truly care about what race Canderous was?" Nevertheless, you are right, this factor contributes to marketing significantly and that could be one reason why Canderous is who he is. Also, no other char-s in your party (except main char perhaps) has a beard and I think beards are kinda cool. Furthermore, the beard allows a relatively simple way to show "aging."
Do you seriosly think that availability of female main char was intended for females? The idea strikes me as rather humorous. No offense meant to all the feminine gamers out there but gamers are predominantly male. Also, many gamers are rather young and horny; therefore, they are likely to choose a female character so that they can enjoy the fluid movements of certain curved parts... Even pvponline made a joke about most "female" roleplayers being male in rl.
Yeah, when I actually talked to Handmaiden and received this ability my jaw almost dropped. Good old roleplayer in me transforms into instant munchkin when his (or her? just kidding) char is offered the best ability of DnD monk class for free. Besides, bumping Wis and Dex is so easy in KotORII. I wonder if one has weapon finesse, would this wisdom bonus apply to attack? What about dex skills, like stealth?
Hmm, even tough I cannot truly judge that, I think Disciple is rather cute. Female char-s also get to romance Atton and he's pretty cool - cooler than Handmaiden, imho (though nowhere near Visas).
Of course race matters - I think I phrased my opening remark incorectly - more precise question would have been, "Why would anybody truly care about what race Canderous was?" Nevertheless, you are right, this factor contributes to marketing significantly and that could be one reason why Canderous is who he is. Also, no other char-s in your party (except main char perhaps) has a beard and I think beards are kinda cool. Furthermore, the beard allows a relatively simple way to show "aging."
Do you seriosly think that availability of female main char was intended for females? The idea strikes me as rather humorous. No offense meant to all the feminine gamers out there but gamers are predominantly male. Also, many gamers are rather young and horny; therefore, they are likely to choose a female character so that they can enjoy the fluid movements of certain curved parts... Even pvponline made a joke about most "female" roleplayers being male in rl.
Yeah, when I actually talked to Handmaiden and received this ability my jaw almost dropped. Good old roleplayer in me transforms into instant munchkin when his (or her? just kidding) char is offered the best ability of DnD monk class for free. Besides, bumping Wis and Dex is so easy in KotORII. I wonder if one has weapon finesse, would this wisdom bonus apply to attack? What about dex skills, like stealth?
Hmm, even tough I cannot truly judge that, I think Disciple is rather cute. Female char-s also get to romance Atton and he's pretty cool - cooler than Handmaiden, imho (though nowhere near Visas).
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[QUOTE=cim]Oh come on, what does the race matter? I am personally tired of all the retarded political correctness when every movie/game has to have black guy, asian girl, and someone whose sexuality is ambigously defined. [/quote]
What you're really saying is, "Why should I care if anybody who is black, Oriental, female, etc, doesn't get good representation in a game? I'm part of the majority of people whom the game was designed for, and I couldn't care less." Problem is, most of these "other" people enjoy playing games, too. And the fact that you don't care about their opinions can hardly be countered by claims on your part of "political correctness."
Do you seriosly think that availability of female main char was intended for females? The idea strikes me as rather humorous. No offense meant to all the feminine gamers out there but gamers are predominantly male.
The fact that some companies add black, Oriental, and female avatars and party NPCs shows that smarter companies are aware of all the revenue lost when they ignore these large groups. In fact, studies done with the last three years show that females play games nearly as much now as males, across all genres.
Even pvponline made a joke about most "female" roleplayers being male in rl.
Ah, Folk wisdom, like the copper bracelets that will cure cancer. True, there are some male RPGers who play female characters, and there are also some female RPGers who play male characters. I worked for four years in a popular MMORPG. The figures we had were identical to those I mentioned, above. Roughly 55% of our players were male, and roughly 45% were female. Most played their own sex in a game, and some didn't.
Bioware, Lucasarts and Obsidian are savvy enough to release the added value of selling a game that allows women to find an avatar they can relate to. They wouldn't put the code in if they didn't think it important to make more money--you can count on that.
What you're really saying is, "Why should I care if anybody who is black, Oriental, female, etc, doesn't get good representation in a game? I'm part of the majority of people whom the game was designed for, and I couldn't care less." Problem is, most of these "other" people enjoy playing games, too. And the fact that you don't care about their opinions can hardly be countered by claims on your part of "political correctness."
Do you seriosly think that availability of female main char was intended for females? The idea strikes me as rather humorous. No offense meant to all the feminine gamers out there but gamers are predominantly male.
The fact that some companies add black, Oriental, and female avatars and party NPCs shows that smarter companies are aware of all the revenue lost when they ignore these large groups. In fact, studies done with the last three years show that females play games nearly as much now as males, across all genres.
Even pvponline made a joke about most "female" roleplayers being male in rl.
Ah, Folk wisdom, like the copper bracelets that will cure cancer. True, there are some male RPGers who play female characters, and there are also some female RPGers who play male characters. I worked for four years in a popular MMORPG. The figures we had were identical to those I mentioned, above. Roughly 55% of our players were male, and roughly 45% were female. Most played their own sex in a game, and some didn't.
Bioware, Lucasarts and Obsidian are savvy enough to release the added value of selling a game that allows women to find an avatar they can relate to. They wouldn't put the code in if they didn't think it important to make more money--you can count on that.
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