Swashbuckling Cleric

erowne · Post by **erowne** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:54 pm

I am going to make a swashbuckling-cleric dual class to play through SoA and possibly ToB with a kensai/mage friend (No NPCs). I searched the posts and I didn't find any guides about this class. I have never tried this before, so any tips on when to dual class or what race/stats etc would be greatly appreciated.

SP101 · Post by **SP101** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:51 pm

Well...

Race
Human (You can only use Swashy/Cleric as a Human, since they are the only ones who can dual-class)

Aligment... Dunno, choose what you like! (Evil Cleric will be able to charm undeads instead of destroying them... But you won't get Holy Words and anti-evil spells...)

Stats
Str : 18
Dex : 18
Con : 16 (Only fighters benefit from 17+ Con)
Int : 3
Wis : 18
Cha : What's left...

Dual-class it either at lvl 10 or 15 (Since Swashbucklers get bonuses each 5 levels). lvl10 would be good enough to have both detect traps and lockpicks to 100 (enough to beat the game), and to pick another skill (Could be Set Traps, Hide In Shadow/Stealth, or Pickpocket... but it won't be too high). Waiting until lvl15 will gives you 100 more thievery points... so you can master another skill! If you decide to go through ToB, dual-classing at lvl15 should be a good idea, since you'll get plenty of XP anyway... and will level fast as a thief and as a cleric... so you'll gain levels quickly.

You friend should dual-class either at lvl 7, 9, 12 or 13, but I would recommend 13 if you go through ToB... if you don't, dual-class at lvl9.

erowne · Post by **erowne** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:26 pm

Thank you. That pretty much answered all of my questions.

Phantom Lord · Post by **Phantom Lord** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:54 pm

Maybe you could try

Str 12+ (enough items in the game)
Dex 18
Con 16 (only fighters can use 17 or 18)
Int 10+ (unless you want a moron for a PC)

Wis 18
Cha 8+ (and do the circus soon)

Keep in mind that priests have a detect traps spell, but you'll still need points to remove them. Use quarterstaff as primary weapon (allows backstab and there are many fine staffs).

With only two players you'll may even play the swashy until he gets HLAs (UAI).

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:05 am

[QUOTE=Phantom Lord]Maybe you could try

Int 10+ (unless you want a moron for a PC)

Keep in mind that priests have a detect traps spell, but you'll still need points to remove them. Use quarterstaff as primary weapon (allows backstab and there are many fine staffs).

With only two players you'll may even play the swashy until he gets HLAs (UAI).[/QUOTE]

Definetly keep int at least 10 (or mindflayers will just need to hit you 1-2 to kill you).
Swash. can't backstab, so I would dual wield some good flail/mace/hammer (FoA/crom/DoE/MoD).
As for thieving skills, detect trap/lockpick are a must, or you'll have to devote most of your lev. 3 spell to detect trap (you want summon skeleton do you?).
You don't need stealth (use potions, ring and sanctuary), so go for pickpocket (you'll have some good occasion to use it).
Set trap will only net you a coupple of simple trap, leave trapping to high lev. thieves.

erowne · Post by **erowne** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:01 pm

Can someone show me a list of traps and what they do please (the ones I'd most likely get as a swashbuckler cleric)?

Mazeh · Post by **Mazeh** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:20 pm

Well, as swashbuckler, you only get 1 trap (A simple piece of fair damage i.e.) and as cleric... well, symbol; ( ) and Glyph of Warding are... mm, dunno, kind of traps.

Unless you go for thieves high level abilities (HLA) and take time trap (Casts timestop when enemy passes it, real handsome

) and other nifty ones (Can't remember names, tho')

Anyway, the cleric's "wannabe-traps";

Duration: "Thief trap like - forever, until discharged" (( Level = 3 ))
((A Glyph of Warding is a powerful magical inscription drawn to prevent unauthorized or hostile creatures from passing, entering, or opening. It can be used to guard a small bridge, to ward an entry, or trap a chest or box. Any creature violating the warded area is subject to the magic it stores. A successful saving throw vs. spells enables the creature to escape the effects of the glyph. When the spell is cast, the priest weaves a tracery of faintly glowing lines around the warding sigil. When the glyph is activated, it deals 1-4 points of electical damage per level of the caster to the victim.))

Symbol; Stun: (( Level = 7 ))
((Symbol, Stun is a powerful enchantment that allows the priest to inscribe a symbol on the ground or any other surface. The symbol will remain there until someone comes too close, at which point it will explode, causing all those within the area to make a save vs. spells at a -4 penalty or be stunned for 2 rounds + 1 round for every 3 levels of the caster.))

Symbol; Death: (( Level = 7 ))
Symbol, Death is a powerful enchantment that allows the priest to inscribe a symbol on the ground or any other surface. The symbol will remain there until someone comes too close, at which point it will explode, causing all those within the area to make a save vs. death or die. Creatures with more than 60 current hit points are immune to this effect.

The last, and in my opinion the weakest --

Symbol; Fear: (( Level = 7 ))
Symbol, Fear is a powerful enchantment that allows the priest to inscribe a symbol on the ground or any other surface. The symbol will remain there until someone comes too close, at which point it will explode, causing all those within the area to make a save vs. spells at -4 or be effected by fear for 2 rounds + 2 rounds for every 3 levels of the caster.

Text in red = Planet Baldurs Gate's source

I just mark it in red, so it's easiere to seperate (There should actually be a rule about sources) oh well, that's all help I can offer.

Dedigan · Post by **Dedigan** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:11 pm

So why not go Cleric first to level 15 (skeleton knight summons, have level 6 spells), then finish out as swashbucker?

Raumoheru · Post by **Raumoheru** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:31 pm

because you cannot duel to a kit...

erowne · Post by **erowne** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:22 am

Does anyone have any adivce for my kensai/mage friend?

Cuchulain82 · Post by **Cuchulain82** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:44 am

Just look through the BGII section, or search the forum- this site is stuffed with Kensai/mage advice.

Phantom Lord · Post by **Phantom Lord** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:48 am

Basically the same stats except for Int <-> Wis and Con 18:

Str 12+
Dex 18
Con 18
Int 18+
Wis 8+
Cha 8+

Good dualing points are after receiving a weapon profession (every third level), improving Kensai feats (every fourth level) or gaining another 1/2 attack (every 7th level). I personally wouldn't dual before my base THACO is 0.

Not being a Kensai / Mage expert, I'm not quite sure when it comes to weapons. Since the Swash / Cleric will probably not use staves and the Kensai duals to mage, staves are tempting (Magi and Ram, Rhynn in the early part of the game), but I guess the basic question is one-handed dual wield) or two-handed.

There should be a bunch of posts on Kensai / Mage design in this forum btw, it's one of the most discussed combinations here.

Mazeh · Post by **Mazeh** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:34 pm

In profencies, I'd say;

Katanas (5 x *)
And long sword ( as many as possible

)

Why?

Because, when you get a über high level mage, you can do timestop, black blade of disaster (A really wast long sword), and that, right the right Thac0, you can do some serious killing in timestop. Else just go for the good old Mind Flayer + Timestop cheese

Erenor · Post by **Erenor** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:23 pm

[QUOTE=Mazeh]In profencies, I'd say;

Katanas (5 x *)
And long sword ( as many as possible

)

Why?

Because, when you get a über high level mage, you can do timestop, black blade of disaster (A really wast long sword), and that, right the right Thac0, you can do some serious killing in timestop. Else just go for the good old Mind Flayer + Timestop cheese

[/QUOTE]

What do you mean by the "good old Mind Flayer + Timestop cheese"?

SP101 · Post by **SP101** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:32 pm

Well, cast Shapechange and Timestop. Morph into a Flayer, and eat your enemy's brains!

Sytze · Post by **Sytze** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:32 am

Which isn't cheese. It's a perfectly legit way of dealing with your enemy.

Mazeh · Post by **Mazeh** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:21 am

In my opinion, it's just as much cheese as the traps against liches.

Phantom Lord · Post by **Phantom Lord** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:58 am

[QUOTE=Mazeh]In my opinion, it's just as much cheese as the traps against liches.

[/QUOTE]No, it's a legitimate spell combination. The only thing that makes it really unique is that the programmers forgot to protect "unkillable" characters from death by stat drain.

Apart from that, SC Mindflayer is simply awfully powerful and a player may not use it for this reason. The same counts for some other spell and item combinations though and as far as damage is concerned, there are far more powerful concepts which are suited to nuke whole areas.

Cuchulain82 · Post by **Cuchulain82** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:17 am

I actually think the SC+Mindflayer combo is a good thing- it can help you get out of jams in the case of bad probramming, game issues, etc.

Phantom Lord · Post by **Phantom Lord** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:15 pm

It's basically an attack that kills everything on Toril within one round. I don't use it in my games but I've experimented with it sometimes in typical OMG-situations. On the other hand, if you read fight logs from BBoD / GWW attacks carefully you'll find that it is not as abusive, but certainly quite deadly as well.