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The discussion in "The Wrath of SYM" thread made me curious...

Would you go out of your way, and risk harm to stop a violent situation that you say while going about your daily life?

If a situation came up where you were walking down the road, heard screaming, and saw someone on the side of the road being mercilessly beaten by another person, what would you do?
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I would, and have, intervened. The key is, the attacker doesn't EXPECT you, so you have time to grab a "weapon" or something makeshift, and get into a very threatening position. I tell you, standing over someone who is whaling on someone else, holding a piece of two by four swiped from a skip. They do NOT look happy. AT all. :rolleyes:
Mag: Don't remember much at all of last night do you?
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Mag: From what I put together of your late night drunken ramblings? Vodka, 3 girls, and then we played tic-tac-toe and slapped each other around.
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*nods* I've prevented a guy from taking advantage of my Rachel when she was drunk. He wouldn't listen to no from her, or me. He did move right quick and apologize when I came back into the room with a knife as long as my forearm and repeated myself though. All thoughts of using Mr. Happy leave when there's a knife pointed at him.

I've no fear of guns, occasionally a slight fear of knives, and I'm not afraid to defend myself. So stepping into a situation in order to defend someone, I won't hesitate to do so. If it's an evenly matched fight, I try breaking it up, unless I know the cause and someone really deserves what's coming to them. If it's just an old-fashioned beat down I jump in the middle to stop it though.
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As you can probably imagine, for me it depends on the situation. However, I think that I would defend a woman from a man in almost any instance. I just can't let that one get past me.
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A tough one, this is the kind of discussion where there can be alot of talk and not much follow through. You can have all these visions about how you would respond, but when your faced with a violent situation, you may not have a control over your actions... sort of an extension of the "fight or flight" response.

It'd be nice to say that if another human was ever under threat or actually being laid into, you would coolly square up and call over in a deep and threatening voice to leave the poor sap alone ;) and if he turned to you threateningly, one blow of your mighty bone crushing fist would send him flying through a nearby brick wall. Then in true Hulk Hogan style you'd sling the fellow over your shoulder and troop to the nearest hospital.

But in my experiance this virtually never happens. In public places, where myself or when I'm with a group of friends and we've come under very obvious threat, most just proceed about their business in mock ignorance. Is it cowardice? No. It's natural and understandable, but certainly not admirable.

It is said in Fight Club: "Most people - normal people - will do anything to avoid a fight."

If someone does come to the rescue, it is normally the last person in the world you'd expect. My earliest memorable experiance of violence (outside of the playground :o ) was when I was at the cinema with a friend. I was about 11/12 and at this youthful, exuberant age when you've just left the absolute protection and security of the mother's nest you think that all adults will be so protective. A bunch of kids got it in their heads they wanted to fight us, they had come from a much rougher area I suppose, and had probably watched their older brothers intimidate and bully other guys and wanted to give it a try on us. When one grabbed me round the neck and another threw a flimsy (yet at the time, shocking) punch at my face, the adults around us backed away :confused: . I remember clearly a huge bloke with 18" pythons for arms, all hairy and tattooed drawing away his child and equally tattooed wife - wanting nothing to do with it. Perhaps he wanted to protect his family, but I would have thought the paternal instinct would encourage him to intervene :o .

The only person to intervene was a kindly old grandmother-type lady from behind the ticket desk :o . I remember it all so clearly as it was my first experiance with random, inexplicable "street" violence.

Similarly, a few weeks back in the pub. A few thugs were swearing overly loud (even for a pub environment - plus this was a nice restauranty type public house) so this bloke enjoying his food with his wife asks them to quieten down a bit. Before you know it, nice man-on-man brawl going on. Dozens of blokes surround them in biker jackets walkin-the-walk and talkin-the-talk... but who splits these two up? This adorable little 5'4" bloke (you know the sort ;) ) who just dives between them.

I like to think in such situations I fall more on the side of the "fight" than flight response. Every violent situation I've been in I've done my best to be there in one shape or form; I don't rush to my friend's aid like a deranged rabid monkey, fists whirling and a suitable battle cry... but I stick with them. On one occasion these thugs had given the nod to me that I'm "orite"... but this mate of mine is a <insert suitable expletetive> bla bla bla. These guys were bigger than me, but I wasn't going to walk away like I could have done - I'd take my inevitable beating like a man if necessary (as it happens on that particular occasion we were saved miraculously by these cops - they have their uses).

While I've never been in the situation you asked about, I can only hope if it did arise I wouldn't do nothing and just saunter by. I'd like to think I'd intervene but my experiance is, you never know till you're there.

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I think the whole "I can't allow myself to sink to that level, I'll leave them be" mentality is the same as assissting in an assault in the situation I mentioned above. If you can walk down the road, look at that kind of activity and say that, wander on your way, and do nothing...you're just as guilty as the person committing the crime IMHO.

I can't do that, I can't live with myself afterwards. Granted, I've put myself into dangerous situations and come out bleeding, sore, bruised and been interrogated by police. Yet, I've had people thank me, and be so very, very grateful I stepped in to protect them. One of them kept me out of jail when the cops came and broke up the fight between myself and the guy attacking that person. The cops came and were told there was an assualt, then entered the building as I was slamming the guys head into wall with him bleeding all over. :o If that person hadn't spoken up, we'd have both went to jail, she slapped the cop who was cuffing me and started screaming at him saying I saved her and "where were YOU while he risked his life to save me" and stuff.

Twice, I've ended up having to do something like that, just beating the guy until they were unconcious, that was the third and would have ended up like that if the cops hadn't have shown up to cuff the guy. Some people just don't stop and give up otherwise.

Once, a guy knocked me down and someone else proceed to stop staring like an idiot and help out and helped me restrain the guy.

There's been about three times the people listened to reason and stopped when I told them to. Those were wonderfully easy to deal with.
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I admire you then. Much as I'd like to shake off grusome beatings like the pain from a long jog, there's always something that holds me back from jumping straight into a fight.

I normally need a trigger, and when someone inflicts a certain degree on me then I have an inate desire to inflict it back - hopefully a hundred times worse.

Truth is I ain't a tall guy... My two best boozing buddies (they're true friends though ;) ) are like these 6ft rugby players built like brick ****houses. But even they aren't ones to wade into a fight eagerly.

There are those that respond violently when threatened, and those that have an instinct to run.

In my area, the ones that duck their heads down when folks are getting beaten up, or the ones that do run off with tail between their legs... are the ones who make it back home without a swollen eye and bruised ribs.
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Oh, On my own, I'm a runner... But for some reason, if it's someone else, the adrenaline just kicks in :confused:
Mag: Don't remember much at all of last night do you?
Me: put simply.... No :D
Mag: From what I put together of your late night drunken ramblings? Vodka, 3 girls, and then we played tic-tac-toe and slapped each other around.
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Yeah, if someone hits me, I'm more likely to avoid getting violent unless they don't stop with the hitting. If it's just a punk who wants to get a swing off to look macho, good for him. I've ended up having guys do that and then I walk off with their girlfriends afterwards because they were "pigs and shouldn't have done that". Ha. I'd rather have at it with his girl than hit him back anyday. :p

Someone else, I've generally been more aggressive. I know my limits, and what I am willing to tolerate. If I get hit, I'll heal and I'm most likely just going to rip into the guy verbally. Someone being attacked, I'll pull him off without hesitating and if the guy hits me and won't stop, well free game to paint the ground with whatever oozes out of him as the beating ensues. I don't get like that when I'm hit, but for some reason, when someone else gets hit I get far more aggressive. :o

It's caused me trouble, but I just can't sit by letting someone be hurt like that. I don't do it to be cool, macho, or get the thank you's and what not. I just can't stand looking back on a situation where I could have done something and instead walked away while someone was being hurt. Maybe it's because that's happened to me too often, but it's truly bothered me the few times I did that when I was younger.
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You know mag? As serious as we try and be, i can see this thread quickly degenerating into anothe Me-You-Denethorn perversion triangle :p
Mag: Don't remember much at all of last night do you?
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Mag: From what I put together of your late night drunken ramblings? Vodka, 3 girls, and then we played tic-tac-toe and slapped each other around.
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A lot of the threads I post in end up into some spiral of perversion/drunkenness it seems. :o

I'm just curious how other people react to such situation's. From what I've seen, most people ignore that kind of thing. So long as their own skins are safe, they're happy and wander on their own way.
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[QUOTE=Magrus] So long as their own skins are safe, they're happy and wander on their own way.[/QUOTE]

Exactly :p but I can't condemn them for it.

And yes, I think another few posts and one of us will blurt out a perverse comment and off we go ;)
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Heh, one of the few times I've started a fight was one of those incidents I ended up beating someone senseless. A girl was being dragged behind a building and fighting the guy, and no one did anything. Just stood there, staring. I beat the piss out of him, literally, when he refused to calm down and stop fighting me.

One of the ladies there (mid-twenties) said "oh, well that was necessary wasn't it!" rolled her eyes at me, the girl I had saved screeched, ran at her and slapped her. The ladies husband slugged the girl and I spat on him and told them all to go home and then started walked the girl home. He didn't appreciate that, and started talking crap about me and I was just PISSED. This girl was beaten and nearly raped, right in front of these people, and they insult me, and hit her over it. I wailed on him like you wouldn't believe and then took the girl home. Not really proud of myself for it, but grrr...causing more trouble for the girl after she was put through that I lost it. :o
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Can't.... Keep... *splutter* control.... *cough* :rolleyes: :p
Mag: Don't remember much at all of last night do you?
Me: put simply.... No :D
Mag: From what I put together of your late night drunken ramblings? Vodka, 3 girls, and then we played tic-tac-toe and slapped each other around.
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Restrain yourself! :D

I think we should try and keep this one as spam free as possible, since its a nice serious discussion (ahem for once ;) ).

Although this post contains no information relevant to this thread so it technically constitutes spam... for which I will beat myself :eek:
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Those people made me lose my temper, badly....someone else made a comment after I lost it on that couple and and, the girl just dragged me away. That comment that first lady said to me wasn't all she said, but I won't repeat what she said to the girl. I was thrilled when she jumped up, ran across the street and just slapped that lady as hard as she could. Then, the guy hit her. Not pushed, or slapped, full on fist to the face.

Ugh, disgusting people. You know, it wasn't necessary. If one or two other people had stepped in, we could have restrained that guy. If someone had moved to a phone, and dialed 911, the police would have showed up. Nope, everyone watched the guy beating, groping and dragging this girl off who was kicking, screaming and begging for help. Not only was I amazed someone would do that, in public, but the response everyone else had. The girl ended up moving with her family not even a week later, and frankly, I wanted to move out of the town after that too.
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Violence against women is disgusting. Just today I heard how another guy and his wife around here got beaten up.

This man and his wife are walking home, a gang just rushed them. Apparently the thug headbutted the women then preceeded to beat her - she came out with a broken jaw and a few other "minor" injuries.

Thats nothing in comparison to the guy though, they basically kicked the crap out of him :( Now this couple are afraid to go out at all.

Worst part? Happened on the high street, around 11pm. There are normally atleast a small swarm of clubbers around there, not to mention the vast quantity of bouncers.
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Yep, exactly. It's disgusting what people will do to other people for pleasure. I'll jump in whether it's one on one, or 5 on one. Don't care. I won't hesitate grabbing a brick or something heavy if the odds are against me, but I'll jump in regardless. Tends to even things out if you mess up the knees and backs of two or three guys with a brick or piece of wood from behind before they realize someone else joined in on their "fun".

A few people have suggested I should join in on their "wrestling tournements" they do. Yeah, this area's full of people all about Nascar and WWF wrestling. :rolleyes: The people that know I can fight, and do so well, don't seem to get it through their heads I won't fight unless defending someone else or myself. I tell them, I don't fight unless someone's in danger, and when I do fight, I don't stop beating on the person until they become non-threatening and still. If someone's still struggling, I'm still swinging. "Wrestling" doesn't work that way.

I have no qualms about going for the knees, elbows, nose, whatever to incapacitate a person and put them out of a fight if they've decided to attack an innocent person. An elbow to the nose and slugging someone once or twice in the armpit does quite a nice job of putting someone on their knees, dazed and unable to see for a while.

I keep getting requests to join in with the wrestling and starting up a "fight club", but I'm not interested. I can't stand the stuff. Fighting for me is one those 'needs to be done for survival' things. Not fun. Outside of the kind of situations I've been in, chances are a lot of people could beat me up too. When something goes down like that though...I feel no pain, and I just don't let up. Not until the person's out cold and the adrenaline's worn off.

As I stated above, and why I went off on those people...they STOOD there. STARING. Watching someone commit a violent, disgusting crime in public. That makes them a party to it in my eyes. Each, and every one of those people disgusted me every bit as much as the guy trying to drag that girl off. If your in a group of people that break into someone's house, your guilty of assisting them. Same with murder yes? Why not people standing around watching such a crime being committed? The least that could have been done was calling the police you know? Going to a phone, hitting three buttons and saying "someone's being attacked at blah blah blah address" and ran off to seek safety.
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The discussion in "The Wrath of SYM" thread made me curious...

Would you go out of your way, and risk harm to stop a violent situation that you say while going about your daily life?

If a situation came up where you were walking down the road, heard screaming, and saw someone on the side of the road being mercilessly beaten by another person, what would you do?
It depends.

What do I know of the fight?

Despite the instant ego boost that I would receive by valiantly shouting "I will defend the helpless victim", with respect to honesty, I'd have to point out that, no, I would most likely not get involved if I were to see two strangers pounding on each other. Don't get me wrong - I find nothing more disgusting than the selective perception which is exhibited by the greater number of people the majority of the time.
A friend of mine recently shared an anecdote with me. Without going into detail, the gist of it was the following: while on a bus somewhere in the UK he got harassed by three chavettes, roughly twelve years old. Verbal abuse, spitting, attempting to light his hair on fire, punches to the lower regions, that sort of thing. Now, because of the legal system, and his own moral compass, he couldn't really retaliate. What was worse though, neither his co-passengers, nor the bus driver who was observing the whole incident using a camera, did a damn thing even after he shouted 'Are you people not seeing what's going on'. Everyone were literally staring out their windows.
This is the sort of blind-eye-turning that I find repulsive and hope will never be a part of. That said, and while I know most of you will disagree, acting as a pez-dispenser of justice whenever I see fit would be just as repulsive to me due to sheer arrogance. If I witness a fight of which I know nothing, and can assume nothing about, I will find it reasonable to deduct it is none of my business and will walk away. It is not my place to intervene in affairs which do not concern me in the least. For all I know, the one being beaten down might be a rapist who was just caught in the act. Or, much more likely, the fight is some personal drama which has been brewing for longer than would care to guess in which there's no room for outsiders.
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