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I have a special fondness for HL Mencken's cynicism, so I decided to start a thread dedicated to cynical quotes. :p Of course, there are plenty of other noteworthy cynics, and I invite you introduce them. The citations I have listed below, however, are solely those of Mencken

Here are some I find especially choice :D

*A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin.

*A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers.

*All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some admit it. I myself deny it.

*An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.

*Any man who afflicts the human race with ideas must be prepared to see them misunderstood.

*Conscience is a mother-in-law whose visit never ends.

*Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.

*Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.

*It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man.

*It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.

*Men are the only animals that devote themselves, day in and day out, to making one another unhappy. It is an art like any other. Its virtuosi are called altruists.

*Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

*Philosophy consists very largely of one philosopher arguing that all others are jackasses. He usually proves it, and I should add that he also usually proves that he is one himself.

*Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

*There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanism, and that is the impulse to punish the man with a superior capacity for happiness.

*Say what you will about the Ten Commandments, you must always come back to the pleasant fact that there are only ten of them.

*The penalty for laughing in a courtroom is six months in jail; if it were not for this penalty, the jury would never hear the evidence.

*To die for an idea; it is unquestionably noble. But how much nobler it would be if men died for ideas that were true!

*The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

*The worst government is the most moral. One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression.




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Here's another:

"What men value in this world is not rights, but privileges"
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Here goes one:

"Don't you wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence?
There's one marked 'brightness' but it doesn't work" -Gallagher
Wondering how vampires live the life they live.....
seriously I dont know how they sleep during the day, I have a twitch everytime I hear a loud sound as I slumber, everytime ....Im just waiting to pounce on the poor mortal who creates a sound while I sleep in during the day. /rant
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@ Slade. That one's really funny

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@good one here goes two:

"Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself"
-A.H.Weiler

"Failure is not the only punishment for laziness; there is also the success of others" -Jules Renard
Wondering how vampires live the life they live.....
seriously I dont know how they sleep during the day, I have a twitch everytime I hear a loud sound as I slumber, everytime ....Im just waiting to pounce on the poor mortal who creates a sound while I sleep in during the day. /rant
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This thread feels so comfortable and I feel at home here, in this corner.

Oh, you forgot one. I'll post it in orange, just under this pretty line here.
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lol!, these are great :D

another I like, especially for Ik

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all worlds. The pessimist fears it is true."
-- J. Robert Oppenheimer
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how about:
"the tallest blade of grass is always the first to be cut by the lawnmower"
"the higher you climb, the farther you fall"


that's all i can think of right now.
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LOL...That's a great one DW...how about these..

"The point of living and being an optimist, is to be foolish enough to believe thebest is yet to come." -Peter Ustinov

"For myself I am an optimist- it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -Sir Winston Churchill

"To be stupid,selfish, and have good health are the three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost." -Gustave Flaubert
Wondering how vampires live the life they live.....
seriously I dont know how they sleep during the day, I have a twitch everytime I hear a loud sound as I slumber, everytime ....Im just waiting to pounce on the poor mortal who creates a sound while I sleep in during the day. /rant
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[QUOTE=dragon wench]*Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.

*It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man.

*It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.

*Men are the only animals that devote themselves, day in and day out, to making one another unhappy. It is an art like any other. Its virtuosi are called altruists.

*Philosophy consists very largely of one philosopher arguing that all others are jackasses. He usually proves it, and I should add that he also usually proves that he is one himself.

*The worst government is the most moral. One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression.
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I liked these especially. Especially the first one, cuz it's a mantra I certainly believe in. The next two were just funny, but the one about "Men are the only animals..." was 100% true, too; we do tend to make the world a lot harder on ourselves than it needs to be, and we make ourselves so unhappy as a result.

[QUOTE=slade]"To be stupid,selfish, and have good health are the three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost." -Gustave Flaubert[/QUOTE]
Okay, that one was good. I got wrapped up in some discussion last year with some guys who are actually quite philisophical (which surprised me because they always talk about hip hop music, but every once in a while some serious conversation would just pop up out of nowhere). Well, somehow, the most comical of them--you never saw him being serious EVER--made a very succinct comment on happiness. It was something about how children are very happy and know little of the world but as you get older and wiser, it becomes harder to stay happy. I'll paraphrase it, credit him for it, and submit it for the "list."

"Children know little of the world but are mostly happy, while those who are older and more knowledgable of the world find it hard to be happy." -Wazzum (sp?)

"Cynicism is merely the romantic's condom." -Diana Trent, Waiting For God

"Morals and ethics are what the weak use to keep the strong from doing what needs to be done."

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein (wanted to add this one from hill's signature)
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"Morals and ethics are what the weak use to keep the strong from doing what needs to be done."

Serious :eek: . Are you sure ????
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"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite."
(Can't remember who wrote that, sorry...)
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[QUOTE=Fiona]"Morals and ethics are what the weak use to keep the strong from doing what needs to be done."

Serious :eek: . Are you sure ????[/QUOTE]
lol. Sometimes, yes, it does seem that way, that the "weak" use morals and ethical platitudes to keep the "strong" from doing something that really is necessary. I know it sounds extreme, but whenever I see how people use the moral/ethical solution to why we shouldn't use stem cells to find cures for diseases... actually, it was this debate that made me come up with that line. I know it sounds harsh, sometimes I just get harsh towards things.

[QUOTE=ik911]"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite."
(Can't remember who wrote that, sorry...)[/QUOTE]
lmao that's just funny.


Edit: It's not like I go around all the time thinking that, Fiona; it was just a phrase my mind conjured up at the time. And I'm writing this story and I plan on having my "diabolical villain" say it verbatim. Anyway, if I did think that, nothing would have stopped me from taking my angst out on my ex for being a lying little idiot stick-figure with no soul.
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"You can't fail if you don't try."

"Buying more raffle tickets doesn't increase your winning chances, it just decreases everyone elses."
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"Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song,
A medley of extemporanea;
And love is a thing that can never go wrong;
And I am Marie of Romania"


and

" Salary is no object; I want only enough to keep body and soul apart."

(Dorothy Parker)
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[QUOTE=Fiona]" Salary is no object; I want only enough to keep body and soul apart."(Dorothy Parker)[/QUOTE]

I like this one :D

Here are some by Oscar Wilde, I've always appreciated. I'm not certain they fall fully into the category of "cynical," but IMO they are good.

Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.

Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.

Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months.

I think that God in creating Man somewhat overestimated his ability.

Seriousness is the only refuge of the shallow.

The only thing to do with good advice is pass it on. It is never any use to oneself.

The secret of life is to appreciate the pleasure of being terribly, terribly deceived.

When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers.

It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious.

Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.

Scandal is gossip made tedious by morality.

Only the shallow know themselves.

But what is the difference between literature and journalism?
...Journalism is unreadable and literature is not read. That is all.

Thirty-five is a very attractive age. London society is full of women of the very highest birth who have, of their own free choice, remained thirty-five for years.

The basis of optimism is sheer terror.
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"After all, what is your host's purpose in having a party? Surely not for you to enjoy yourself; if that were their sole purpose, they'd have simply sent champagne and women over to your place by taxi."

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Ah yes, my home away from home. Excellent thread, DW. :cool:

My sig features a quote from perhaps my favorite blackguard of them all, Ambrose Bierce. A wealth of quotes exist on the web from this fellow. The New York Times featured a weekly column by Mr. Bierce during the late 19th century called The Devil's Dictionary. Excerpts of his writings have been compiled by subject and can be accessed at the following website:

http://www.alcyone.com/max/lit/devils/

The Devil's Dictionary is the cynic's lexicon par excellence. Here are some of my favorite entries:

ACCORDION, n.
An instrument in harmony with the sentiments of an assassin.

CALAMITY, n.
A more than commonly plain and unmistakable reminder that the affairs of this life are not of our own ordering. Calamities are of two kinds: misfortune to ourselves, and good fortune to others.

CANNIBAL, n.
A gastronome of the old school who preserves the simple tastes and adheres to the natural diet of the pre-pork period.

CARNIVOROUS, adj.
Addicted to the cruelty of devouring the timorous vegetarian, his heirs and assigns.

CHRISTIAN, n.
One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin.

CYNIC, n.
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.

DEBT, n.
An ingenious substitute for the chain and whip of the slave- driver.
As, pent in an aquarium, the troutlet
Swims round and round his tank to find an outlet,
Pressing his nose against the glass that holds him,
Nor ever sees the prison that enfolds him;
So the poor debtor, seeing naught around him,
Yet feels the narrow limits that impound him,
Grieves at his debt and studies to evade it,
And finds at last he might as well have paid it.
Barlow S. Vode

DEFAME, v.t.
To lie about another. To tell the truth about another.

DENTIST, n.
A prestidigitator who, putting metal into your mouth, pulls coins out of your pocket.

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

FLAG, n.
A colored rag borne above troops and hoisted on forts and ships. It appears to serve the same purpose as certain signs that one sees and vacant lots in London -- "Rubbish may be shot here."

FUTURE, n.
That period of time in which our affairs prosper, our friends are true and our happiness is assured.

HAPPINESS, n.
An agreeable sensation arising from contemplating the misery of another.

HEAVEN, n.
A place where the wicked cease from troubling you with talk of their personal affairs, and the good listen with attention while you expound your own.

HERS, pron.
His.

HOMICIDE, n.
The slaying of one human being by another. There are four kinds of homocide: felonious, excusable, justifiable, and praiseworthy, but it makes no great difference to the person slain whether he fell by one kind or another -- the classification is for advantage of the lawyers.

IDIOT, n. :D
A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant and controlling. The Idiot's activity is not confined to any special field of thought or action, but "pervades and regulates the whole." He has the last word in everything; his decision is unappealable. He sets the fashions and opinion of taste, dictates the limitations of speech and circumscribes conduct with a dead-line.

IMPOSTOR, n.
A rival aspirant to public honors.

PATRIOT, n.
One to whom the interests of a part seem superior to those of the whole. The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors.

PHILOSOPHY, n.
A route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing.

PLUNDER, v.
To take the property of another without observing the decent and customary reticences of theft. To effect a change of ownership with the candid concomitance of a brass band. To wrest the wealth of A from B and leave C lamenting a vanishing opportunity.

POLITICIAN, n.
An eel in the fundamental mud upon which the superstructure of organized society is reared. When we wriggles he mistakes the agitation of his tail for the trembling of the edifice. As compared with the statesman, he suffers the disadvantage of being alive.

SCRIPTURES, n.
The sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished from the false and profane writings on which all other faiths are based.

SENATE, n.
A body of elderly gentlemen charged with high duties and misdemeanors.

WHITE, adj. and n.
Black.

WITCH, n.
(1) Any ugly and repulsive old woman, in a wicked league with the devil. (2) A beautiful and attractive young woman, in wickedness a league beyond the devil.

YEAR, n.
A period of three hundred and sixty-five disappointments.
CYNIC, n.:
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.
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@Chan,
strangely enough I had the strong feeling earlier this morning that it was only a matter of time before you came wading in with Ambrose Bierce :D

Great quotes btw. I like this one especially:

"CANNIBAL, n.
A gastronome of the old school who preserves the simple tastes and adheres to the natural diet of the pre-pork period. "


ROFL! :eek:
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[QUOTE=dragon wench]Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.

Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.

I think that God in creating Man somewhat overestimated his ability.

The secret of life is to appreciate the pleasure of being terribly, terribly deceived.

Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.

Thirty-five is a very attractive age. London society is full of women of the very highest birth who have, of their own free choice, remained thirty-five for years.

The basis of optimism is sheer terror.
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It’s sad how some of these remind of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

Rule of Acquisition #76: “Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.” And then there was when Garak said, “The truth is merely an excuse for a lack of imagination.” He also said, “Treason, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.”

And from Waiting for God, Diana Trent (cynic extraordinaire and what a gal) was having a conversation with Jane—who was going through a sort of born-again-Catholic phase. Jane had accidentally left her rosary beads in Diana’s soup and freaked out that God would be upset, and Diana said, “Maybe God will even find it funny.” Jane: “Really?” Diana: “Of course; anyone who created Mankind must have had a sense of humor.”

[QUOTE=Chanak]
CYNIC, n.
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

FUTURE, n.
That period of time in which our affairs prosper, our friends are true and our happiness is assured.

HAPPINESS, n.
An agreeable sensation arising from contemplating the misery of another.

SCRIPTURES, n.
The sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished from the false and profane writings on which all other faiths are based.

YEAR, n.
A period of three hundred and sixty-five disappointments.[/QUOTE]
The definition of CYNIC is probably the best, lmao. FUTURE and HAPPINESS are good, too, so is YEAR.

And going back to the one about women choosing to remain 35, that's not just limited to London. :p

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BACCHUS, n.
A convenient deity invented by the ancients as an excuse for getting drunk.
Is public worship, then, a sin,
That for devotions paid to Bacchus
The lictors dare to run us in,
And resolutely thump and whack us?
Jorace

That's just great. And I do believe Magrus' prayers for a special deity has been answered.
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