a few days ago, i decided to try messing around with various alignments and, among other things, changed minsc to "chaotic neutral" as an experiment. i did this with shadowkeeper, and played for a little while then changed all the alignments back to their original value. the problem is, even though minsc is "chaotic good" again, he complains nonstop that "these behavior must stop, feel the wrath of my hamster" or some such. my party's rep is 20. i don't know what he's mad about, unless he somehow still thinks he's chaotic neutral. and another thing: have I caused him to become a fallen ranger through this?
i could just go back to a earlier saved game, but the problem is, i have recently done the slave lords and the mind flayers in the sewers: two battles I'm glad to have behind me.
so, does anyone know what the affects or parameters are to fix minsc now? i'm comparing two games in shadowkeeper: minsc's complain score is now 8, whereas he was previously at 3. can i just change this one number and continue with my game, or is there more? thank you kindly.
[This message has been edited by Mhr'djynn (edited 01-31-2001).]
minsc complaining / shadowkeeper question
I have used shadowkeeper to modify some character's alignments as well, such as making Jaheira a Ranger/Cleric (NG) and making Korgan CG (just for laughs, and so he could use Azuredge. 
Neither person acts any differently than they did before, but I have not yet got my reputation up to the point that they both would normally complain. Korgan still harasses Nalia, and Jaheira still talks about balance and such. I did not expect this to change, it is dialogue.
I suspect that if you left Minsc a ranger and changed his alignment to CN, you caused a problem and yes, he may now be fallen. I thought the profile screen says that if you are...you may have just messed up your game by confusing it.
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"If you prefer, you could say EXPERT treasure hunter!"
--Gandalf the Grey, the Hobbit
Neither person acts any differently than they did before, but I have not yet got my reputation up to the point that they both would normally complain. Korgan still harasses Nalia, and Jaheira still talks about balance and such. I did not expect this to change, it is dialogue.
I suspect that if you left Minsc a ranger and changed his alignment to CN, you caused a problem and yes, he may now be fallen. I thought the profile screen says that if you are...you may have just messed up your game by confusing it.
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"If you prefer, you could say EXPERT treasure hunter!"
--Gandalf the Grey, the Hobbit
"If you prefer, you could say EXPERT treasure hunter!"
--Gandalf the Grey, the Hobbit
--Gandalf the Grey, the Hobbit
hmm. i just manually changed his complain parameter back to 3, and i got a dialogue from him that i have never heard before.
"strange things go bump in the night, but none bumps bigger than MINSC!"
haha. i am looking at his character screen, and it still says ranger, and he still has his stealth and charm animal ability, so perhaps it's not quite as bad as i thought. although, what worries me is that in the earlier game there are a lot of extra parameters on his "affect" screen in shadowkeeper that just aren't there anymore. hope i didn't ruin my game for good. i guess i'll play a while with this modification and see what falls out.
"strange things go bump in the night, but none bumps bigger than MINSC!"
haha. i am looking at his character screen, and it still says ranger, and he still has his stealth and charm animal ability, so perhaps it's not quite as bad as i thought. although, what worries me is that in the earlier game there are a lot of extra parameters on his "affect" screen in shadowkeeper that just aren't there anymore. hope i didn't ruin my game for good. i guess i'll play a while with this modification and see what falls out.
Haven't got far enough for her to get the harper pin as a R/C. That would be a bummer if she can't use it.
Oh, well, there's the always the Sensate Amulet...not the harper pin, but useful.
In another game, I plan to make her a bard (harper, get it??) THat ought to be interesting.
What good is the spell "Non Detection"? SO WHAT if nobody can find you with a crystal ball or a clarivoyance spell....am I missing something?
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"If you prefer, you could say EXPERT treasure hunter!"
--Gandalf the Grey, the Hobbit
Oh, well, there's the always the Sensate Amulet...not the harper pin, but useful.
In another game, I plan to make her a bard (harper, get it??) THat ought to be interesting.
What good is the spell "Non Detection"? SO WHAT if nobody can find you with a crystal ball or a clarivoyance spell....am I missing something?
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"If you prefer, you could say EXPERT treasure hunter!"
--Gandalf the Grey, the Hobbit
"If you prefer, you could say EXPERT treasure hunter!"
--Gandalf the Grey, the Hobbit
--Gandalf the Grey, the Hobbit
i use the cloak of non-detection on jan for when he is hiding in shadows, as it makes it more difficult (if not impossible) for beings to detect his presence by magical means (such as true seeing, I think.) So if you had a mass invisibility or improved invisibility cast on a character with non-detection, I think it makes them remain invisible to the opponent.
or, at least that's how I understand it. in my game, it hasn't proven to be much use to jahiera but it helps on a thief or scout occasionally.
the sensate amulet for the pin would be a good trade-off indeed, though.
or, at least that's how I understand it. in my game, it hasn't proven to be much use to jahiera but it helps on a thief or scout occasionally.
the sensate amulet for the pin would be a good trade-off indeed, though.
If your info is correct, then non-detection is utterly useless to Jaheira, as I see it.
Anyone else with thoughts on the usefulness of non-netection?
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"If you prefer, you could say EXPERT treasure hunter!"
--Gandalf the Grey, the Hobbit
Anyone else with thoughts on the usefulness of non-netection?
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"If you prefer, you could say EXPERT treasure hunter!"
--Gandalf the Grey, the Hobbit
"If you prefer, you could say EXPERT treasure hunter!"
--Gandalf the Grey, the Hobbit
--Gandalf the Grey, the Hobbit
non detection has absolutely no use in the game, and vocalize doesn't work like it should either. an invisible mage with non detection and vocalize should be able to walk amongst the enemy blowing them away with spells
I would be a serial killer if i didn't have such a strong distaste for manual labor
Never have casted the spell. Can it be casted onto another character? I use the ring of non-detection on my thief when going for a backstabb on a wizard or lich that is using True seeing. Seems to work great.
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"Four thousand throats may be cut in one night, by a running man."
- Klingon Crewman "Day of the Dove"
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"Four thousand throats may be cut in one night, by a running man."
- Klingon Crewman "Day of the Dove"
"Four thousand throats may be cut in one night, by a running man."
- Klingon Crewman "Day of the Dove"
- Klingon Crewman "Day of the Dove"
Non-detection as a spell is annulled by true sight, which makes it useless as a spell since most enemy wizard/creatures cast true sight.
BUT, any "dispel" type spells do NOT work on equipment that provide special bonuses. That makes the cloak of nondetection absolutely amazing for a thief or mage or whoever who is invisible, because true sight no longer can detect them!
BUT, any "dispel" type spells do NOT work on equipment that provide special bonuses. That makes the cloak of nondetection absolutely amazing for a thief or mage or whoever who is invisible, because true sight no longer can detect them!