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Post by Fiona »

Does this seem reasonable to anyone?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/0 ... index.html
The girl says a 19-year-old man lied in his profile about being a senior on a football team to gain her trust and phone number
This bit particularly amused me, I must say, but perhaps I am missing something important about American culture? Are seniors on football teams particularly known for their chastity? :confused:
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I think the part of American culture you are missing is that we are taught from being embryos to SUE, SUE, SUE!!!!!! :angel:

And, only virgins are allowed on the football teams here!! :laugh:

I didn't catch it, if the article said this--don't you think it meant that the boy pretended to be someone from this girl's school that she already knew of? Finding out the truth would definitely be hard on a 14 year old. Should she earn her college money because if it? NOOOOOO!
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I might be wrong here, and those members in the US will have more insight, but my impression has generally been that in the States football players have a kind of 'heroic, wholesome' image.

Plus, lots of young girls find the whole sports jock thing attractive, which could have been another reason for the lure....
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Post by Ravager »

Well, if it's not MySpace, it's something else...
When it comes down to it, that girl was the one who decided to share details and meet the man.
Obviously what happened to her was a very bad thing, but it's hardly the sole responsibility of the site to protect the users.
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I wouldn't really say that is Myspace's fault. I would have thought that by now people would be aware that a lot of people lie about themselves on sites like that and would be wary about giving any details to somebody they met online unless they are sure that they are who they say they are. I've made a few good friends online who I am now friends with offline too but always make sure I am certain they are who they say they are before giving them any personal details.
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"MySpace sued in wake of sexual assault
6/20/2006 3:58:59 PM, by Eric Bangeman


A Texas 14-year-old and her mother have sued MySpace for US$30 million after she was raped by a man she met on the social networking site. Pete Solis, who faces felony sexual assault charges, courted the girl via her MySpace profile. They proceded to exchange phone calls and e-mails prior to meeting in May. Solis reportedly picked her up at school, took her to dinner and a movie, and then sexually assaulted her at a South Austin, TX apartment complex.

MySpace's age verification practices come under attack by the plaintiff's attorneys. The site requires users to be at least 14 years old, asking for name, date of birth, e-mail address, sex, and country of residence. However, it does not attempt to verify the information, which is the basis for the lawsuit.

In a statement, MySpace chief security officer Hemanshu Nigam said that the site takes "aggressive measures" to protect its members and encouraged all Internet users to use "smart web practices" and "have open family dialogue on how to apply offline lessons in the online world."

The sexual assault is not the the first to follow a MySpace meeting. Two girls, aged 13 and 14, have been the victims of similar assaults by older men they met on MySpace. However, this appears to be the first time the social networking site has been sued as a result.

MySpace has come under increased scrutiny lately. Federal legislation was recently introduced that would regulate access to that and other, similar sites from public computers in libraries and schools. Sponsor Rep. Michael Fitzpatrick (R-PA) has called social networking sites aimed at younger users a "feeding ground for child predators," and it's all but certain that this case will provide more ammunition for similar criticism of the site and strengthen calls for regulating access to it by children.

Whether MySpace is found to be liable—in whole or in part—for what happened to the plaintiff hinges on whether a jury believes the site is liable for what happens in real life, outside its borders. While what happened to the girl is horrific, the site will argue that it is not responsible for the girl's choice to meet up with her attacker.

If nothing else, the case serves as a grim reminder for parents everywhere to do their utmost to stay on top of their chidren's activities, both online and off. Kids are prone to making bad judgments—it's part of the process of growing up. Shutting off access to MySpace for young teens is more likely to shift the problem elsewhere than prevent kids from making bad choices."

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060620-7096.html

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I've been conned more than once in my life (though never had to endure sexual assault *crosses fingers & touches wood*), never needed the internet for being stupid and/or naive.
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lmao

Okay, to clarify this issue with football players. Parents used to believe that football players were somehow some kind of gods and perfect catches for their daughters, although how that came to be I don't know. But from personal experience, they are usually the biggest male sluts in all of school. They get more play off the field than they do on, and they normally wind up with the bimbo cheerleaders (who normally are known for being loose). The typical football player is a jock, a stud, and women in the U.S.--I'd like to say generally, but that may be overstepping it a bit--love a good stud. So yes, a naive little 14 y/o would definitely love it if a football player was into her, because if she could run around town saying she was with a football player, her popularity through association skyrockets as a result. We live in a very sick social system here.

DW: actually, I know that used to be true. Somehow, American football players did have that wholesome stigma attached to them, but again I don't know how that ever came to be. Because they seriously don't deserve it. There may be a few good apples in the bunch, but the majority of them pretty much put hormone-crazed teens to shame. (I feel like I should feel guilty, because in high school I knew a couple football players who were actually straight-A students [at the time, I couldn't even begin to understand that, but I swear to you they actually earned those grades, which was a bigger shock to me at the time], but I don't)

I know shana was being facetious when she said that, although maybe not entirely, but it does seem a sad truth that Americans just love to sue the pants off of people in an attempt to make quick money.

Rav, mr_sir: I agree, it really isn't MySpace's fault. In fact, I'd be willing to lay the blame entirely on the girl, save that there's enough blame to go around for the parents to share of it. Parents should be doing more to monitor what their kids are doing, and they certainly should be warning them against the dangers of online predators (funny side story: my ex met a guy online and dated him for a while, and we met online too, and when we were at his mom's house, she launched into a lecture about talking to people online; we kind of exchanged knowing glances at that point, and it was hard for me to keep a bemused smile off my face). Frankly, MySpace is running a free service for users to interact socially online; what responsibility exactly should they feel entitled to exercise, given that? Now, if they were charging for their services, you bet they would be more stringent on such things, but this is a free service. People will lie through their teeth on MySpace, as they will on any other social site merely because they can. I've met my fair share of liars online, on various sites and forums, and MySpace is just one more example of a site where you can find these. It's just being held up as the example now of all that is bad in online predator habitats, but it's really not well-deserved.
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:eek: Someone lied on the internet? :speech: My faith in humanity is gone... :(
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Awww, you beat me to that.

I was about to say I'm a blonde, attractive 19 year old girl ready to come meet you if you pay the airplane ticket and give me spending money. Just don't be let down if no one answers you when you're holding the sign with the name on it.

In my opinion, while yes, MySpace could be considered friendly to such things, they are not criminally responsible as they never forced the two to meet, divulge personal information etc. etc.
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[QUOTE=Mr Spanky] :eek: Someone lied on the internet? :speech: My faith in humanity is gone... :( [/QUOTE]
The internet, unlike real life, is populated with nice people with high moral standards and lying is not only frowned upon, but also extremely rare and hard to accomplish due to breakthroughs in diversity management frameworks for next generation paradigms synergizing seamless integration of social networking through leveraging of sustainable web 2.0 engineering!
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The mother suing myspace should be arrested for child endangerment.
The guy who hurt the girl thrown in jail for whatever he did to her.
Myspace has no obligation to protect the users from their own stupidity, that is the users or the parents of the users responsibility.
No one has the right to force Myspace to protect children from themselves.
Myspace is completely guiltless in this. The guy and the mother are completely guilty, the daughter just a big ****ing moron, who got what she deserved for being so damn dumb.

As for lawyers, any and all lawyers must serve the same sentence as those they represent. And if the case involves money, the government take 80% of the total and the lawyer is only allowed 3% of the winings after government taxes. Screw the people and they will stop suing. Screw the lawyers and they will stop representing.
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[QUOTE=The Exile Revan] The guy and the mother are completely guilty, the daughter just a big ****ing moron, who got what she deserved for being so damn dumb.[/QUOTE]

Why do dumb people deserve to be raped? Please explain.

I know that several people here on SYM have decided to meet after only talking over internet, including me, Do we deserve to be raped too?
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[QUOTE=The Exile Revan]The mother suing myspace should be arrested for child endangerment.[/QUOTE]
Hardly, since her actions didn't endager the child.
[QUOTE=The Exile Revan]The guy who hurt the girl thrown in jail for whatever he did to her.[/QUOTE]
Already has been (I won't open up the whole can of worms on jails and their effectiveness).
[QUOTE=The Exile Revan]Myspace has no obligation to protect the users from their own stupidity, that is the users or the parents of the users responsibility.[/QUOTE]
In actual fact they do, they may not solicit illegal practices etc., additionally they have a social responsibility to prevent such acts from occurring.
[QUOTE=The Exile Revan]No one has the right to force Myspace to protect children from themselves.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure the relevant judicidial system would have a bone to pick with you there.
[QUOTE=The Exile Revan]Myspace is completely guiltless in this. The guy and the mother are completely guilty, the daughter just a big ****ing moron, who got what she deserved for being so damn dumb.[/QUOTE]
Already well addressed by Dottie.
[QUOTE=The Exile Revan]As for lawyers, any and all lawyers must serve the same sentence as those they represent. And if the case involves money, the government take 80% of the total and the lawyer is only allowed 3% of the winings after government taxes. Screw the people and they will stop suing. Screw the lawyers and they will stop representing.[/QUOTE]
The point of a lawyer - to represent their client and seek justice.

Now, if someone has been charged with a crime, surely they deserve to have representation. Unless of course you work on the theory of "if she dies she's innocent, if she lives she's a witch". It is the same for civil cases, if someone feels poorly done by, then they have a right to seek damages, and the other group has a right to defend themselves.

And as for the taking of the money, well that makes absolutely no sense to have someone only receive 17% of their compensation. Then to make it fair you'd have to make the compensation much more, and that would then mean the person couldn't pay, and no one would win.
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@dj_venom agreed

Now the internet has been around for a while now and so has internet predators. There is no hard math problem here. Sherlock Homes is not needed. Can't blame schools right(oh someone will)? Sometimes people have to stop trying to sue people and start recognizing that it *can* be there fault and they are to blame. Of course it is never your fault, you just have to find someone to blame, and no guilt on you. Fricking sweet.
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[QUOTE=Mr Spanky] :eek: Someone lied on the internet? :speech: My faith in humanity is gone... :( [/QUOTE]
ROFLMAO! That gets the signature quote of the week award. :p

[QUOTE=Vicsun]The internet, unlike real life, is populated with nice people with high moral standards and lying is not only frowned upon, but also extremely rare and hard to accomplish due to breakthroughs in diversity management frameworks for next generation paradigms synergizing seamless integration of social networking through leveraging of sustainable web 2.0 engineering![/QUOTE]
You know, even after a few hours of being awake, I'm still not sure how to take that. I tried responding to this a couple hours ago, but GB did its stupid business after I tried to post. But then I had just woken up, and I was so confused, and I can't tell if you were serious or not. But 5 hours of sleep (considering that I've gotten the equivalent of 3 hours of sleep for a week now) + a string of buzzwords = a very confused Chim. :laugh:

[QUOTE=dj_venom]The point of a lawyer - to represent their client and seek justice.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that's the point of a lawyer, except that's not the reputation they have earned in the States. They have been attached with the stigma that they are blood-sucking leeches that chase ambulances, and will do anything--up to and including lying and changing evidence--to win their case. We in the U.S. are inundated with images of lawyers being little more than nasty voles, and although there are likely to be several bad apples, there are also several good ones (it's like any stereotype, some do fit the description, some don't). Hence, Exile Revan's obvious animosity towards them.

[QUOTE=JonIrenicus]Sometimes people have to stop trying to sue people and start recognizing that it *can* be there fault and they are to blame. Of course it is never your fault, you just have to find someone to blame, and no guilt on you. Fricking sweet.[/QUOTE]
Oh, come on now. People have been blaming others for their own shortcomings since time immemorial. I'd mention a certain group of people, but god forbid I wield my mighty WW2 knowledge and Godwin the thread. But the world would be a much better place if people would accept the blame for their own mistakes. Hence, the drastic need for lawyers, because god forbid someone goes through their life without suing or being sued at least once. :rolleyes:
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" The bad thing about myspace is that it's full of sexual predators, the good thing is that it's full of sexual prey" ~Steven Colbert (I think)

Seriously though, if you're that gullible it's your problem. Come to think of it, if you're hooking up with people on myspace it's also your problem.
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[QUOTE=Chimaera182]Yes, that's the point of a lawyer, except that's not the reputation they have earned in the States. They have been attached with the stigma that they are blood-sucking leeches that chase ambulances, and will do anything--up to and including lying and changing evidence--to win their case. We in the U.S. are inundated with images of lawyers being little more than nasty voles, and although there are likely to be several bad apples, there are also several good ones (it's like any stereotype, some do fit the description, some don't). Hence, Exile Revan's obvious animosity towards them.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, well I'm interested in studying law, so I have to defend my possible future career choice. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Chimaera182]Oh, come on now. People have been blaming others for their own shortcomings since time immemorial. I'd mention a certain group of people, but god forbid I wield my mighty WW2 knowledge and Godwin the thread. But the world would be a much better place if people would accept the blame for their own mistakes. Hence, the drastic need for lawyers, because god forbid someone goes through their life without suing or being sued at least once. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]
You aren't blaming someone for not allowing you to talk about WW2 are you? ;)
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The girl didn't get what she deserved, but she was acting very stupid. And the mother is also at fault for not monitoring her child's activities (I know she can't control her completely but she can talk to her, explain the risks, etc).

And she says that MySpace should be more aggressive inscreening their clients. How exactly do you prove to the internet that you are 14 years old? You have a social security number, but that is a VERY BAD way of trying to secure online age verification. You don't have a driver's license, no credit cards (I hope), most likely no passport.... so how can you verify age?

And while I don't think the girl deserved this, I think that I want to say the mother got what she deserved in having to watch her daughter go through this.
*GRR* I hate uninvolved parents! :mad:
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While it is clear that online encounters do have more risk, because it can be difficult to verify if people are who they say they are, it does need to be said that there are all kinds of incidents in real life in which an individual does not turn out to be exactly as they had portrayed. It is, for example, a well known fact that in most cases of assault the victim *knows* the perpetrator.

I just wanted to throw that out.
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