Help With Jezebell

dionnaraven · Post by **dionnaraven** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:32 pm

I have tried repeatly to beat her.I am playing as treme.Is there anyone who can help me with this.I'm not sure what else to do.

Sulacu · Post by **Sulacu** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:28 am

When my Tremere went up against Jezebel, she was troublesome to me, as well. Don't bother using blood strike or blood salvo; she's too fast. Purge is useless. Blood shield will come in handy, though. If you'd have blood boil, it might be very harmful to her, though, I don't know. Domination seems to be quite less effective than Thaumaturgy when it comes to supernatural foes, though. My tremere had a Ranged score of 6, I think, which I used to unload a handful of Brokk17c mags into her. If neither your Stamina or dodge is high, her knife blows hit hard.

yrthwyndandfyre · Post by **yrthwyndandfyre** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:50 am

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[QUOTE=dionnaraven]I have tried repeatly to beat her.I am playing as treme.Is there anyone who can help me with this.I'm not sure what else to do.[/QUOTE]

To everyone their own, and Jez-baby is a nasty piece of work all three ways. Good looks, evil as all get out, and just a king-sized case of nasty. Having said that, here's how to beat her (as a Tremere):
By now you should have a shotgun, and a fair bit of ammunition for it. Good. You need it.

Approach her room in sneak mode. If you've got defensive disciplines like blood shield, make them your current spell, but don't activate them. Don't equip anything just yet.

Open the door, don't enter the room, though. Just step through the door enough to catch her attention and start the dialog. Once the dialog is complete, leave the room and close the door. Then stand right in front of it so that she can't open it and come out for you. Equip any and all of your defenses, and your shotgun. Be sure it's loaded.

She will, of course, be trying to open the door from her side. Just keep your foot against it, so to speak. When you're ready, step to the side, let her open the door, and let her have it in the face with your shotgun. You might be able to get off 2 or 3 shots. The blast will knock her back into the room. Close the door, and stand in front of it again while you reload. She won't be able to come out.

Now, just keep repeating this 'open-shoot-close-reload' sequence for as long as it takes to kill her. Sometimes (fairly regularly, actually) she gets out, but usually not before she's been weakened enough that you can uncork all of your Tremere fury at her and finish her off before she kills you.

Yeah, it's not elegant, but she's an insane diseased vampire freak-show. I don't actually think the rules of duelling apply. Have fun, kitten!

Acleacius · Post by **Acleacius** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:35 am

An easier way to work the door is to crouch on the left side and open it while Not in front of it, she will come to you and start the conversation.
Once completed the door will already be closed and you will still be in the hall crouched on the left side of the door outside.

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:30 am

Maybe I'm just not quite as subtle as those of you that use ranged attacks lol but I usually just use bloodshield, blood buff and a fire axe and just try to take her out as fast as I can. Even with a Tremere, blood buff gives you decent melee stats for a short time. If things get too tough then I usually run away, restock on blood, reactivate all the above and carry on. It doesn't always work but I'd say I manage it like this 2 out of 3 times without dying.

yrthwyndandfyre · Post by **yrthwyndandfyre** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:52 pm

[QUOTE=mr_sir]Maybe I'm just not quite as subtle as those of you that use ranged attacks lol but I usually just use bloodshield, blood buff and a fire axe and just try to take her out as fast as I can. Even with a Tremere, blood buff gives you decent melee stats for a short time. If things get too tough then I usually run away, restock on blood, reactivate all the above and carry on. It doesn't always work but I'd say I manage it like this 2 out of 3 times without dying.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but I get her five for five - always, at least since I developed this strategy. Before that, it usually took 3 or 4 tries to kill her. Since, I've only ever needed one try, and I do it on the bare metal - no disciplines.

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:21 pm

[QUOTE=yrthwyndandfyre]Yeah, but I get her five for five - always, at least since I developed this strategy. Before that, it usually took 3 or 4 tries to kill her. Since, I've only ever needed one try, and I do it on the bare metal - no disciplines.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but the problem I have with your method is that you use firearms lol. Don't ask me why but I just hate using firearms in vampire games. I prefer using disciplines, and generally only ever resort to any weapon as a last resort. I have actually managed to kill Jezebel with nothing but a combination of Bloodshield and Bloodstrike, although it was a bit of a pain at times as when you run away from her attacks you also lose the blood you were stealing from her.

TheUnspoken · Post by **TheUnspoken** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:46 pm

my way

ok, the first time i had to fight with her, i just ran around the table in the midle of the room, with her on the other side of the table, using blood strike, and waiting for the stolen blood to come to me, then i got pissed off and jumped on the table and stayed there, she couldnt reach me, and i killed her without any harm, it took a little while tho, but it was easier than running around the room and using firearms (my ranged feat sucks) or using disiplines i didnt have (all i had was auspex lvl 1, thaumaturgy lvl 2 and dominate lvl 1, and i still havent spent anything in disiplines and im in chinatown already, and it's quite easy, i use melee, trance for stealth, or to get one enemy down when i get surrounded, or sometimes purge, or i just start draining dry one and use him as a human shield, i dont use blood strike too much now, but it was really useful, to kill the serial killer for example, i couldnt use melee against him so...)

Darkstone · Post by **Darkstone** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:10 am

If I can knock her into a corner I can usually kill her blood buffed with the fire axe. Otherwise she cuts me to pieces. Then just keep pushing "I" for inventory to pause the fight and use a few blood packs to keep from dying. End up using a lot of them, though.

yrthwyndandfyre · Post by **yrthwyndandfyre** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:00 am

[QUOTE=mr_sir]Yeah but the problem I have with your method is that you use firearms lol. Don't ask me why but I just hate using firearms in vampire games. I prefer using disciplines, and generally only ever resort to any weapon as a last resort. I have actually managed to kill Jezebel with nothing but a combination of Bloodshield and Bloodstrike, although it was a bit of a pain at times as when you run away from her attacks you also lose the blood you were stealing from her.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's entirely your call, obviously. In general, I prefer using disciplines to using weapons myself. After all, I am a vampire, so in general weapons should be beneath me. I find, however, that in the game, sometimes weapons are a necessary evil. Try Bach weaponless. No fun, and the game should be fun. I'm not above taking on a challenge - don't get me wrong - but arbitrarily making life difficult by voluntarily gnawing off your arm is a bit on the extreme side... Jack spells it out in the tutorial. Vampires have to keep up with the times, and in 20th century LA, that means coming strapped. Or, as Sean Connery said in "The Untouchables", "Leave it to a wop to bring a knife to a gun-fight.":mischief:

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:11 am

[QUOTE=yrthwyndandfyre]Try Bach weaponless. [/QUOTE]

Bach is one of the times where I must admit I do use weapons. The same applies to the final bosses at the end of the game. I like a challenge too but trying to defeat all the big bad vampire bosses without them is too much like hard work lol

VelvetVelour · Post by **VelvetVelour** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:30 am

Jezebel

I dunno, my ways fast and effective, but lacks passion.. 3 words

flamethrower and notarget

yrthwyndandfyre · Post by **yrthwyndandfyre** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:08 pm

Spoiler

[QUOTE=VelvetVelour]I dunno, my ways fast and effective, but lacks passion.. 3 words

flamethrower and notarget[/QUOTE]

Lol! Not bad. You should try god mode and just beat her to death with bare hands.

CyAnIdeV1 · Post by **CyAnIdeV1** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:54 am

Is it really that difficult for you guys to beat her?
I use a Toreador and just have to use bloodbuff and a knife to take her out with no problems.

yrthwyndandfyre · Post by **yrthwyndandfyre** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:38 pm

[QUOTE=CyAnIdeV1]Is it really that difficult for you guys to beat her?
I use a Toreador and just have to use bloodbuff and a knife to take her out with no problems.[/QUOTE]

I used to go at her bare-hands, bare-metal. That didn't work. Then I tried the .38 - didn't work. Then the shotgun while in the room. She finished me off before I got her down to half health most of the time. However, that gave me an idea. Obviously, I simply needed more time. Thus the open/shoot/close/repeat strategy. It worked like a charm, and I figure, "If it works, why fix it?"

I usually tackle Jez fairly early on, when my disciplines obviously aren't quite as buff as they need to be. In fact, I usually pop her, then go upstairs to do the mobsters (restore blood points, you understand

).

Lestat · Post by **Lestat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:58 am

[QUOTE=CyAnIdeV1]Is it really that difficult for you guys to beat her?
I use a Toreador and just have to use bloodbuff and a knife to take her out with no problems.[/QUOTE]Because using bloodbuff in a fight is not cost efficient and pains my blackened economist-strategy gamer soul.

I use the same tactics as Yrth, unless when playing as a fighter type character (Brujah or Gangrel), in which case I usually have enough in melee or unarmed (at least Strength 3 + Melee/Brawl 4 makes for a very decent 7 in the feat) + a back-up discipline (Celerity or Fortitude/Protean) at a fair score.

yrthwyndandfyre · Post by **yrthwyndandfyre** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:36 am

[QUOTE=Lestat]Because using bloodbuff in a fight is not cost efficient and pains my blackened economist-strategy gamer soul.

I use the same tactics as Yrth, unless when playing as a fighter type character (Brujah or Gangrel), in which case I usually have enough in melee or unarmed (at least Strength 3 + Melee/Brawl 4 makes for a very decent 7 in the feat) + a back-up discipline (Celerity or Fortitude/Protean) at a fair score.[/QUOTE]

A person after my own heart. Find a way, and stick with it. We obviously come from the same gaming past. Conserve resources at any cost, because they tend to be scarce, and you almost never know what's waiting around the corner.

Who knows? You might walk out of the Elevator and need everything at your disposal to simply escape the Vampire Werewolf waiting in the lobby (lol), but seriously. The very nature of an unknown universe is that is is unknown. If you're in character, the threat is not the thing in front of you. It's the thing waiting around the corner to ambush you when you've resolved your current situation. Old chessmaster's axiom: The threat is more effective than the execution of the threat. Don't worry so much about what is currently slapping you in the face as what is about to tear your head off in two minutes.

Collary of the axiom: Plan for the thing that is going to tear your head off. Always think two moves ahead at least. Do you play chess perchance, Lestat? You sound as if you do. My guess would be pretty darn good, too. If you don't, you should try. I think you'd be pretty good.

In any case, dealing with Jez (or anybody, for that matter), I always anticipate the worst of all possible outcomes. That being that when I walk out of the Hotel, The Chiropteran Behemoth is standing there itching to tear me apart. Yes, I know, it never happens, but going in you're not supposed to know that.

gonin · Post by **gonin** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:53 pm

Kill that hotty evil plague vamp

My method is a bit of a mixture of a few of yours i put hotkeys at knife,shotgun, auspex,bloodbuff and strike

I walk to door fall back and close it and auspex

she opens a blast her dead smack in the face so then while she is down i bloodstirke dmg and newblood for me then shoot and repeat until she is lower life then i run in and knife her good with bloodbuff on. if i wanted to i could just shoot but thats boring. im only treme and i have never lost with my shoot drain shoot srain knife strategy

Peace budies and dont let the lovely Jez kill ya ( Damn she a hot one)

haydox · Post by **haydox** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:27 am

I have faced her twice now and have beaten her first time both times! The first time, as a Ventrue, i unloaded a load of Glock mags into her then blew her away with the Ingram (these may not be the names used in game for the gun, but im a HUGE gun nut!).

Second time i was a Malkavian and i actually waited until i was on the Dead Ex quest before i could be arsed to get her, then i just used Auspex (level 3 i think) and the Spas shotgun, took her out in no time!