Have you seen these characters before?

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:01 am

Like most current fantasy, the characters are generally borrowed from somewhere. Anyone seen our BGII characters before? Here are a couple:

The figurative:
Aerie : Holly Golightly

The irreverent:
Cernd : Castanza

The literal:
Baal : Mot
Jaheir : Any nordic sword maiden

Ubik · Post by **Ubik** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:05 am

Is that so? Hmmm... I only knew about Bhaal (existed in half a dozen religions in the ancient middle east)

Further notes on those? More info, that is.

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:10 am

The persecuted:
Valygar

Rodion Raskolnikov · Post by **Rodion Raskolnikov** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:21 am

Watched "Blade Runner" the other day. The chinese who makes the eyes of the replicants looks just like Jan Jansen (same hat and "glasses" in his forehead). I know Jansen isn't exactly chinese but there is NO doubt that it has been of some inspiration. It's a spitting image!

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:22 am

Ubik, the Canaanite god Baal is a god of storms (Thor?) and it is his rival Mot that was the god of death. I assume that the AD&D Bhaal with the 'H' is the one and the same, but his personality is mostly that of Mot.

Hey here's a couple more:

Yoshimo : that theif that Conan saves from the wolves.

Anomen : Sir Robin from the Holy Grail (you know, the one who 'bravely ran away')

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Drakron Du´Dark · Post by **Drakron Du´Dark** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:25 am

Hey it not bhall the name of the god that the look like a sheep.

Yoshimo : that theif that Conan saves from the wolves.

Nay, its a mage that he save from canibals.
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"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not became a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss gazes into you..."
Friedrich Nietzsche

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Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:32 am

Garrick is the one who ran away.

Ubik · Post by **Ubik** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:37 am

Not only Canaanite, my friend. I will come up with some info on Bhaal, god of death in some other religions. Even in Crete (where I live) is he mentioned in some (really) early documents.
If I recall it corectly, he was worshiped by the Assyrians (main god) and Babylonians. But I am not sure and I do not have the time to do some research.

P.S. (edit) HHmmmm... I do not remember sir Robin saying "What is it" (

) but, yes, there is a similarity

Any other suggestions?

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Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:40 am

Bravely bold Sir Robin, rode forth from Camelot. He was not afraid to die, O Brave Sir Robin. He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways.
Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin! He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp,
Or to have his eyes gouged out,
and his elbows broken.
To have his kneecaps split,
and his body burned away,
And his limbs all hacked and mangled,
brave Sir Robin!
His head smashed in and his heart cut out, And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged,
And his nostrils raped and his bottom burned off,
And his penis...

(Robin interrupts the song)
(Robin encounters the 3-Headed Knight)
(After Robin runs away from the 3-Headed Knight)

MINSTREL: Brave Sir Robin ran away
ROBIN: No!
MINSTREL (singing): Bravely ran away away
ROBIN: I didn't!
MINSTREL (singing): When danger reared its ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled
ROBIN: No!
MINSTREL (singing): Yes Brave Sir Robin turned about
ROBIN: I didn't!
MINSTREL (singing): And gallantly he chickened out Bravely taking to his feet
ROBIN: I never did!
MINSTREL (singing): He beat a very brave retreat
ROBIN: Oh, lie!
MINSTREL (singing): Bravest of the brave Sir Robin
ROBIN: I never!

(Later, when Robin meets up with King Arthur)

MINSTREL (singing): Packing it in and packing it up And sneaking away and buggering off
And chickening out and pissing off home
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge

credit to Monty Python from the Holy Grail

geh4th · Post by **geh4th** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 10:04 am

Now THERE'S good memories from one of the all-time classics......

Drakron Du´Dark · Post by **Drakron Du´Dark** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 10:08 am

most of the film was

RUN AWAY.....RUN AWAY.....RUN AWAY....

And the bridge of death.

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"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not became a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss gazes into you..."
Friedrich Nietzsche

Ubik · Post by **Ubik** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 10:11 am

Oh... yes, indeed, you bring memories back. I 'm gonna rent the video, wanna see the moose scheme once more.

Osiris · Post by **Osiris** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 11:36 am

Ba'al is a Hebrew word meaning lord. There were a heap of gods with this name. Ba'al ze'vav (Lord of the Flies) was the equivalent of Satan - the word survives in English as Beelzebub.

BTW if you play the RPG Fallout 2, the Bridge of Death from Holy Grail features - you use the same tactics as in the film to get across.