US Political thread

TEMPLAR67 · Post by **TEMPLAR67** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:45 pm

Vote for your favorite in the 2008 election. I am looking for a good political debate as well. Enjoy

And i dont mind if you are from another country

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:55 am

Well, you know what Rudy Giuliani said yesterday: a terrible event like "9/11" can only happen if Democrats are running the country. Obviously, it could never happen if Republicans were in charge.

Tricky · Post by **Tricky** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:09 am

Has there been *edit - (srry, brain went poof):* a dumbest event in history ? Because I'm inclined to attribute that day to the Republican party if he stands with that reasoning.

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:53 am

So far, the only positive reinforcement that I see from any of these candidates is that all of them are at the least, slightly better than our current president in many ways. Yeah, I know, it's taking a shot at bush and we've all heard this song and dance, but my point stands that from what I see the new candidates aren't that much better in my opinion.

I'm not going to delve in this sort of thing as I'm not strong in politics and I don't plan on learning any time soon. However, I will say that whoever becomes the next USA President, I hope that he or she knows what they're doing this time around.

TEMPLAR67 · Post by **TEMPLAR67** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:15 pm

I will say that whoever becomes the next USA President, I hope that he or she knows what they're doing this time around.

I believe that bush is a good person and that he has faired much better than gore would have given the situation he was in. I also think that bush has had good intentions with everything he has done but it has just not panned out the way he had hoped. And i am also quite surprised by the number of votes hillary clinton has received and that so far she is beating obama on this poll. President Hillary Clinton is a dangerous proposition. and if she is elected wouldnt that make bill the first man:laugh:

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:20 pm

Well, everyone knows that the reason why Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani have cheated on their wives and been divorced so many times is because Bill Clinton was President. None of the Democratic candidates has ever been divorced, but America's family values are in serious danger if Democrats are elected.

Vicsun · Post by **Vicsun** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:30 pm

VonDondu wrote:Well, you know what Rudy Giuliani said yesterday: a terrible event like "9/11" can only happen if Democrats are running the country. Obviously, it could never happen if Republicans were in charge.

I'm probably going to get severely beaten for liking something a politician has said, but I did like Obama's response:

“Rudy Giuliani today has taken the politics of fear to a new low and I believe Americans are ready to reject those kind of politics. America’s mayor should know that when it comes to 9/11 and fighting terrorists, America is united. We know we can win this war based on shared purpose, not the same divisive politics that question your patriotism if you dare to question failed policies that have made us less secure. I think we should focus on strengthening our intelligence, working with local authorities and doing all the things we haven't yet done to keep Americans safe. The threat we face is real, and deserves better than to be the punchline of another political attack.”

TEMPLAR67 · Post by **TEMPLAR67** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:34 pm

Well, everyone knows that the reason why Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani have cheated on their wives and been divorced so many times is because Bill Clinton was President. None of the Democratic candidates has ever been divorced, but America's family values are in serious danger if Democrats are elected.

Family values...idc about that much in politics(but since you bring it up bill did cheated on his wife several times, but then again, can you blame him? look what hes married to:laugh: ). what i do care about is strait up lies, i remember nancy polosi saying that she was going to have the most ethical congress in history, and then she appoints a person to guard our nations secrets who was later found to have 90k in bribe cash in his freezer

. on top of this some of you may have seen this little bit on the news No Agenda :: Nancy Pelosi Archives
its long but bear with it.

“Rudy Giuliani today has taken the politics of fear to a new low and I believe Americans are ready to reject those kind of politics. America’s mayor should know that when it comes to 9/11 and fighting terrorists, America is united. We know we can win this war based on shared purpose, not the same divisive politics that question your patriotism if you dare to question failed policies that have made us less secure. I think we should focus on strengthening our intelligence, working with local authorities and doing all the things we haven't yet done to keep Americans safe. The threat we face is real, and deserves better than to be the punchline of another political attack.”

i think obama needs to be concerned with his own party more, several days ago the senate majority leader said that "the war in iraq is lost" how supportive of him

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:13 pm

Speaking of family values in the Republican Party..... I feel compelled to mention this little incident...

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley_scandal"]"family values"[/url]

I really don't care which part of the political spectrum it comes from, one thing I can't stomach is hypocrisy.
Just thought I'd throw this out there, I hope it is not too far off topic. But seeing as "family values" often appears to be a centre plank of US elections I don't really think I'm too far afield.

TEMPLAR67 · Post by **TEMPLAR67** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:21 pm

Oh, and i almost forgot about Sandy Berger, everyone may remember he was cought sticking classified documents down his pants:laugh: FOXNews.com - Sandy Berger Probed Over Terror Memos - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political SpectrumBut your right DW politicians on both sides are mostly scum, and this would be a much less frequent problem if there were term limits on reps and senators so we wouldnt get a bunch of old fossils in there like ted kennedy, harry reid, nancy polosi and the rest of the gang.

Fiberfar · Post by **Fiberfar** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:27 pm

I've never heard about half of them.
Only thing we get to hear about is Clinton and Obama (and the accident where he was called osama

)

Call me simple, but I'm going for Clinton, only because I want to see a woman as a president.

TEMPLAR67 · Post by **TEMPLAR67** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:42 pm

I've never heard about half of them.

And that is a huge problem in this country, people know who every contestant on american idol is(and about 65 million of them vote)but vnat name the people who might lead this country. for the curious, they can all be found on wikipedia

Call me simple, but I'm going for Clinton, only because I want to see a woman as a president.

that is also terrifying, her being in charge of a book reading circle is dangerous much less the leader of a country

Would be kinda funny though to see bill clinton called the first man

Vicsun · Post by **Vicsun** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:53 pm

TEMPLAR67 wrote:I believe that bush is a good person and that he has faired much better than gore would have given the situation he was in.

So... Karl Rove's deletion of emails despite a court order not to do so, Gonzales' firing of attorneys for political reasons, the politicization of the DOJ's civil rights division, the fabricated Niger yellow cake used as a reason to invade Iraq, the Valerie Plame CIA leak, the White House's doctoring of climate reports, the NSA's warrantless wiretapping, the prisoner's tortured into false confessions, the Walter Reed scandal, the Haliburton debacle, the suspension of Habeas Corpus, CIA's secret prisons, and the horrible handling of the aftermath of Katrina would have all happened under Gore as well? Please please substantiate that. Please.

Those are off the top of my head, and I don't even live in your country. There are parts of my body that would have fared better than Bush. Severed. Lying on the desk in the presidential office.

edit: to actually contribute, Fred Thomson hasn't officially announced he's running, and I noticed a severe shortage of John McCaine in the poll options. And since nobody seems to be saying what they voted, I'll break the ice and say Barack Obama. I have several major gripes with Hillary on which I can expand if anyone's actually interested in what I think. I also like Edwards and used to feel somewhat positive about Giuliani until he started overplaying the terror card.

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:06 pm

that is also terrifying, her being in charge of a book reading circle is dangerous much less the leader of a country

Forgive the cheap shot, but at least Hillary would be qualified to lead a book circle, the same can't be said of Bush.

Yes, I know that's hardly in the spirit of debate.
However, you have thrown poor barbs in Hillary Clinton's direction at every available opportunity, and that isn't exactly real debate either

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:08 pm

Templar67, you created this thread to discuss the political hopefuls for 2008, not to act as your own pulpit to attack people who are not running for office, and have no relevance to the discussion. Either tell me that you want the poll closed and topic changed, and I'll do that, or stay on topic. Thanks.

Gilliatt · Post by **Gilliatt** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:11 pm

dragon wench wrote:Forgive the cheap shot, but at least Hillary would be qualified to lead a book circle, the same can't be said of Bush.

Yes, I know that's hardly in the spirit of debate.
However, you have thrown poor barbs in Hillary Clinton's direction at every available opportunity, and that isn't exactly real debate either

You're wrong DW, Bush could. We all know he was reading stories to kids when the 9/11 tragedy happened.

TEMPLAR67 · Post by **TEMPLAR67** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:32 pm

So... Karl Rove's deletion of emails despite a court order not to do so, Gonzales' firing of attorneys for political reasons, the politicization of the DOJ's civil rights division, the fabricated Niger yellow cake used as a reason to invade Iraq, the Valerie Plame CIA leak, the White House's doctoring of climate reports, the NSA's warrantless wiretapping, the prisoner's tortured into false confessions, the Walter Reed scandal, the Haliburton debacle, the suspension of Habeas Corpus, CIA's secret prisons, and the horrible handling of the aftermath of Katrina would have all happened under Gore as well? Please please substantiate that. Please.

1. i did not condone what rove did
2. he is allowed to fire attorneys for any reason, clinton fired 96 of them
3. politicization of the DOJ's civil rights division; i dont no anything about that
4. they were invaded for breaking the ceasfire agreement and multiple UN resoulutions
5. I have never heard of the whit house doctoring climate reports, cannot comment
6. I have no problem with NSA wiretapping, the terrorist wont wait on the phone for you to get a warrant, and its not like theyre listening to Mr. Jones talking to his dad, they are listening to suspected terrorist.
7. I would like to see some proof of cohersed confessions, and if they are torturing terrorist IDC, they do far worse things to us.
8. youll need to enlighten me on the walter reed scandal
9. im still not sure on the suspension of habeus corpus
10. IDC about CIA prisons, wish we had more of them
11. Valarie plame was a nobody who worked at a desk, if she were actually an "agent" i would think differently
12. Katrina was not bushes fault the responseability of that falls on the mayor and govenor and the director of fima

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:42 pm

fable wrote:Templar67, you created this thread to discuss the political hopefuls for 2008, not to act as your own pulpit to attack people who are not running for office, and have no relevance to the discussion. Either tell me that you want the poll closed and topic changed, and I'll do that, or stay on topic. Thanks.

Templar67 has decided that this thread will no longer be about the 2008 US presidential candidates. I've closed the poll and changed its name, accordingly.

Fiberfar · Post by **Fiberfar** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:52 pm

TEMPLAR67 wrote: for the curious, they can all be found on wikipedia

Wouldn't wikipedia be biased towards or against the people running for office?
I mean, a democrat can go and call any republican a liar and what not.

TEMPLAR67 · Post by **TEMPLAR67** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:02 pm

Wouldn't wikipedia be biased towards or against the people running for office?
I mean, a democrat can go and call any republican a liar and what not.

no, ive looked at them and they are very center articles there dosent appear to be any smearing, i think they have ppl to edit it and keep the crap out

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