Gestapo in america

MACpistol.com · Post by **MACpistol.com** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:08 am

Why does the american public put up with this tyranny?

DEA raids LA medical marijuana clinics - Yahoo! News

Karembeu · Post by **Karembeu** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:30 am

Tyranny? In which way do you mean tyranny?

MACpistol.com · Post by **MACpistol.com** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:38 pm

Don't you think that heavy handed raids by federal agents against sick and dying people who use medical marijuana on a DOCTOR'S PRESCRIPTION, constitutes tyranny? I sure do. And remember, we're talking about states where it is legal, yet the federal agents STILL insist on raiding these people (because marijuana is verboten under federal law).

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:32 pm

It does not sound like the government raided them just because it is illegal, though. It sounds as though they targeted clinics which held the suspicion of selling it beyond the legal uses and channels. That does not sound like Tyranny at all.

Claudius · Post by **Claudius** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:36 pm

Were they enforcing federal law? Thats not tyranny. Thats called law enforcement.

Vicsun · Post by **Vicsun** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:34 am

Aegis wrote:It does not sound like the government raided them just because it is illegal, though. It sounds as though they targeted clinics which held the suspicion of selling it beyond the legal uses and channels. That does not sound like Tyranny at all.

No, they pretty much raided them because they're illegal under federal law, which supersedes state law. If it was a question of clinics selling cannabis beyond legal uses, wouldn't it have made more sense to arrest those responsible for selling the drug? If, for instance, there was evidence of a clinic selling Oxycodone to recreational users, would it have made sense for federal agents to raid Oxycotin production facilities?

Claudus]Were they enforcing federal law? Thats not tyranny. Thats called law enforcement.[/quote] I think [i]tyranny[/i wrote: is over the top, but enforcing (oppressive) law is pretty much how a tyranny functions. If those DEA agents were acting on their own behalf, against the law, then that wouldn't be tyranny.

edit: that reminds me, I have to resurrect that drug thread at some point.

MACpistol.com · Post by **MACpistol.com** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:06 pm

Claudius wrote:Were they enforcing federal law? Thats not tyranny. Thats called law enforcement.

Well, some of us believe in the forgotten concept of individual liberties, and especially, a forgotten document called the U.S. constitution which forbids the federal government from invading state and personal rights (please read the 10th amendment).

Please tell me WHERE in the constitution does the federal government get the supposed authority to arbitrarily decide that free citizens in the sovereign States are somehow not "allowed" to possess a plant. The authority just is not there. At most, the federal government could prevent you from selling it across state lines. This evil and dangerous notion that the federal government can arbitrarily decide that you're not "allowed" to grow a plant or merely possess certain items is completely UNconstitutional. There is just no way to justify such tyranny (unless a person ignores the constitution and is unaware of what it AND THE FOUNDERS said).

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:30 pm

@MACpistol,
As Vicsun mentions, we recently had a fairly lengthy discussion here on various aspects of drug legalisation and comparisons between the effects of legal drugs vs. those that are illegal. [url="http://www.gamebanshee.com/forums/speak-your-mind-16/booze-smokes-worse-than-some-illegal-drugs-study-86298.html"]Here[/url] is the thread, you may find it interesting to read through.

As far as your topic goes... suffice to say I'm pleased that Canadian law (at least currently) allows for the use of medical marijuana. I suspect that in the above story not all of the facts are in evidence, but at first glance this certainly looks like a gross abuse of power.

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:05 pm

Vicsun wrote:No, they pretty much raided them because they're illegal under federal law, which supersedes state law. If it was a question of clinics selling cannabis beyond legal uses, wouldn't it have made more sense to arrest those responsible for selling the drug? If, for instance, there was evidence of a clinic selling Oxycodone to recreational users, would it have made sense for federal agents to raid Oxycotin production facilities?
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Just going to point out that in the article, it mentions that the clinics targeted were ones which were suspect of being an outlet of further illegal drugs, and the only owners and management was arrested in the busts.

If it were for the simple fact that marijuana is illegal, I am sure there would have been a larger number of clinics raided (keep in mind, I am sure the number was limited to what they could back up legally).

As for the comment of arresting those selling the drub, history has proved it more effective to attack the source of supplies, rather than the individual suppling.

So, it is hardly tyranny (especially considering there is nothing in the constitution, at least to my knowledge, which makes the possession/use of such a mind affecting drug a national, or constitutional right). It is merely heavy handed, federal law enforcement.