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Since I'm not getting any fun & games today, I've done some new searches.

Likelyhood for divorce; this article (thesis, really) presents all the data and gives the appropriate references for Sweden.

http://theses.lub.lu.se/archive/sob/soch/soch03128/SOCH03128.pdf

A short summary in english for ...

If the marriages are recognized by the state, they will recieve economic advantages with respect to the state. Those cannot be given by an arrangement between families. For instance, you can (in Denmark, at least) deduct your spouse's lack of income on your taxes if he or she hasn't got a job ...

@Heksefatter: I'll get you the correct links shortly, when I get home to my "fun&games" computer. This is one of the side effects of using more than one computer - copy/paste doesn't work between them. I personally used google to search all the mentioned sites, typing what I'm looking for and site ...

@Heksefatter: Yes, you are still missing a number of major points.

First, you have provided no explanation to how the de facto polygynous marriages would increase as a result of legalizing polygamy. To me, that number would be constant, simply because they exist today and no one is setting any ...

@Heksefatter: I will try to explain where you are loosing us as best I can.

You believe that prohibiting polygamy prevents women from being used and abused by immoral men. This is what I understand to be your core belief in this matter.

To substantiate this, you have presented numerous anecdotal ...

No, I'm not saying it's ok to insult you, but your arguments were somewhat lacking in clarity, and I regret that after some time it made me loose my composure. There is really no causal relationship between the two, as in one qualifying the other.

I assume this means you won't explain the leap of ...

I cannot honestly say that it was completely unintentional for you to take offense, but considering that it did get you to actually read what I write, it is perhaps sad that you decide to leave the discussion. You must realise that it is equally insulting to ignore questions, constantly restating ...

Actually, I can, since you utterly failed to answer them in any coherent fashion.



You noticed that. Good. Thus your powers of perception seem to work sometimes. I suggest you use them to analyse your own texts, and specifically address the following key problem:

In order to reach the conclusion ...

I hope I missunderstand this. What it sounds like you're saying is that since a number of people abuse a privilege (they do not even have legally), is a motivation for keeping said privilege illegal? That sounds a lot similar to "since some elements could misuse the privileges of democracy, so ...

First, Fable, an apology for taking so long to answer. For one, I am busy, and second I have an internal struggle between my tenacity and my annoyance over this discussion. :D


What you have stated repeatedly is that the legalization of polygamy would mean more grief and oppression. If that isn't ...

Well, for one thing, they're illegal, so there can't be more of them. If they were permitted, however, you probably would see more of them - in my view, more normal relationships without religious bias. As you and LD have both pointed out, those who practice (mainly polygynous) multiple marriages ...

That's fine. Just as long as you realize that when you answer me, as you've continued in this post, I shall consider it a continuation of our discussion. That's only fair.


Of course it is fair. Still, the misunderstandings continue.


First, as I mentioned above, your example of "polygamy ...

Absolutely no effect whatsoever.


Unless you are going to outlaw polyamoric relationships alltogether, your tough out of luck on this one. If it is the fundamentalistic religious polygamic relationships you are opposing, the battle is already lost. The practice exists under all our noses all the ...

First, if you compare what I wrote with what you just replied, you'll see that you missed an important part:

""No offense meant, but I don't see any way in which women (or children, or men, for that matter) can be abused in a polygamous relationship that cannot occur in a monogamous one. " That ...

I don't understand how you got to your final conclusion. I know plenty of two-person marriages that have failed, where one partner or the other resorts to various forms of bribery or blackmail to keep things going, or where both maintain a stark, hateful relationship. Is this anecdotal evidence ...

Yes, I agree and I am mixing my fallacies... the one I was looking for this time was really non sequitur.

You claim polygamy by necessity has a certain consequence and then attack that consequence, without explaining why the consequence must follow. To clarify:

We should disallow polygamy ...

Here's a small questionaire to try to illustrate what I find to be wrong with the reasoning in the defense of a law against polygamy (or any other type of marriage for that matter).

1. Would polygamy be a threat to a purely monogamous marriage where both parties respect and care for each other ...

@Lady Dragonfly: I wasn't aware that the US still had the antiquated view that you actually need a reason to be granted a divorce. I can divorce my wife this instant (well, besides the paperwork). If we have kids, there is a six month cooling off period, but that is mainly for the sake of the kids ...

No offense meant, but I don't see any way in which women (or children, or men, for that matter) can be abused in a polygamous relationship that cannot occur in a monogamous one. Unless you're going to tell me that jealousy enters into it more often, and there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever to ...

I will give you a few scenarios:

Polygamy has become legal in a Western society (the Constitution is amended).

A) A husband tells his wife that he wants to marry another woman (maybe even with children from the previous marriage), but instead of filing for divorce he proposes a plural marriage ...