New Red Lion Inn

der Moench · Post by **der Moench** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:23 pm

Originally posted by Georgi:
For profit?

In that case, I guess you probably want another refill...

Profit is GOOD!!!

I'll drink to profit!

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:25 pm

Originally posted by der Moench:
I'll drink to profit!

More likely you will drink the profit

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:25 pm

So what is a spiritual or religous experience then? Do anyone on have any first-hand information on the subject?

@Moench: isnt that more common sense then a spritual experience?

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:26 pm

Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
The really funny thing is my brother actually purchased my mother a pretend stuffed sheep Called Bob?

ROFLAMO

der Moench · Post by **der Moench** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:26 pm

Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
More likely you will drink the profit

Ah, well! Monks don't have much use for money anyway!

der Moench · Post by **der Moench** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:28 pm

Originally posted by Dottie:
So what is a spiritual or religous experience then? Do anyone on have any first-hand information on the subject?

@Moench: isnt that more common sense then a spritual experience?

Ah, clever! Yes, one could call it common sense, except that it is so very, very UNCOMMON!

Sadly!

Edit: also, I think that this idea of a "spiritual experience" has a positive conotation behind it. That is, when you have a spiritual experience, you somehow benefit psychologically. And I think acting virtuously does indeed have that positive effect - whereas, perhaps simple common sense does not. Make any sense?

[ 10-27-2001: Message edited by: der Moench ]

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:31 pm

Originally posted by der Moench:
Ah, well! Monks don't have much use for money anyway!

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:31 pm

Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
More likely you will drink the profit

Yeah, my profits!!

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:32 pm

Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
The really funny thing is my brother actually purchased my mother a pretend stuffed sheep Called Bob?

So, you know its name already eh? Moving in for the kill?

der Moench · Post by **der Moench** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:35 pm

Originally posted by Georgi:
Yeah, my profits!!

Gimme another, Georgi. Heck, I'll even PAY for this one! *der Moench includes large tip for services rendered*

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:36 pm

Originally posted by der Moench:
Spiritual and mystic are NOT synonymous. IMHO. Let me back-track and explain somewhat further:

To know what is good and right (virtuous, I called it earlier), one must put forth a great deal of effort into philosophical thought and contemplation.

When one has determined what is good and right, then one must act to uphold those things.

When one acts to uphold what is good and right, one is acting in a "spiritual" manner, and is exercising their "spritual" side.

Make any sense?

You make perfect sense to me

Your definition coincides with some studies I have seen who measure spirituality in people with scales that measure things like sense of meaning and coherence, hope, moral, compassion, etc.

The neuroscience studies I'm reading clearly use the word spiritual experience to denote mystic, unusual experiences as I described above - "a sense of a greater force than man" etc. Clearly, there's a transcendental aspect of this - they are not talking about the force of gravity. Or perhaps they refer to the electromagnetic force that was led through their temporal lobes?

Sorry, j/k.

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:39 pm

Originally posted by der Moench:
Edit: also, I think that this idea of a "spiritual experience" has a positive conotation behind it. That is, when you have a spiritual experience, you somehow benefit psychologically. And I think acting virtuously does indeed have that positive effect - whereas, perhaps simple common sense does not. Make any sense?

So your saying that you perfer to call a councious struggle to act in a ethical way a spiritual experience?

I can agree about the positive effect of walking this path but i would not call it spiritual since this word have a somwhat mystical meaning, for me atleast.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:39 pm

Originally posted by der Moench:
*der Moench includes large tip for services rendered*

I thought that was *ahem* a private matter...

But anyway, sure, another... heading towards drunk monk territory this evening eh?

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:41 pm

Originally posted by Dottie:
So what is a spiritual or religous experience then? Do anyone on have any first-hand information on the subject?

Not me, I'm non religious and I don't view my strong emotional "nature" experiences as spiritual. I merely look at the phenomena from a neuroscientific point of view right now, since it is a sidetrack of some work I'm currently doing.

But with the Monk's definition, I would be a very spiritual person, I belive

der Moench · Post by **der Moench** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:42 pm

Originally posted by C Elegans:
...<snip> The neuroscience studies I'm reading clearly use the word spiritual experience to denote mystic, unusual experiences as I described above - "a sense of a greater force than man" etc. Clearly, there's a transcendental aspect of this - they are not talking about the force of gravity...<snip>

No, I understand fully and completely why "spiritual" would be considered "otherwordly," and in some respects, I agree. I have sorta stolen the term to make my views seem a bit more understandable. In essence, I do not believe in anything greater than the individual, but this is an unpopular and difficult idea to explain. Often, I will approach that idea from this spirituality angle so as to make it more understandable to religious-minded people. Does THAT make sense?

der Moench · Post by **der Moench** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:44 pm

Originally posted by Dottie:
So your saying that you perfer to call a councious struggle to act in a ethical way a spiritual experience?

I can agree about the positive effect of walking this path but i would not call it spiritual since this word have a somwhat mystical meaning, for me atleast.

Excellent! I agree. Please see my response to C Elegens below for my reasons for the use of the term "spritual."

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:46 pm

Originally posted by der Moench:
No, I understand fully and completely why "spiritual" would be considered "otherwordly," and in some respects, I agree. I have sorta stolen the term to make my views seem a bit more understandable. In essence, I do not believe in anything greater than the individual, but this is an unpopular and difficult idea to explain. Often, I will approach that idea from this spirituality angle so as to make it more understandable to religious-minded people. Does THAT make sense?

Definatly, this is very much how i precive the world myself. However, talking about spiritual things does in my eperience only confuse the ones im trying to explain my views to.

der Moench · Post by **der Moench** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:46 pm

Originally posted by Georgi:
I thought that was *ahem* a private matter...

But anyway, sure, another... heading towards drunk monk territory this evening eh?

*LOL* Well, actually, I think I am on my way out, now. I think, through my discussions with Dottie and C Elegens, I have in fact solved all the problems of the world, and feel that my job is done.

See you all another night!

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:48 pm

Originally posted by Georgi:
So, you know its name already eh? Moving in for the kill?

Actually i didn't name him

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 5:50 pm

@Moench: its a nice feeling right

bye.