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Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 7:34 pm

Well... Gustav Fröding for example.
Not all of his poems are bombastic but i dont feel that any of the ones i have read (not so many, but..) have spoken to me in any way, they dont talk about emotions i have felt or situations i have lived, and then it feels like he write just to show he can handle the language in a good way, not to express something...

Or Poe, he writes incrediply beutifull poems about death and such, but they all feel very distant and non-real.

BS: I would love to hear, or read rather...

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 7:37 pm

@Dot: No, I don't find the city more beautiful when it's dark, I actually like it best in autumn sunshine

Especially while taking a walk around Brunnsviken or Djurgården.

@BS: You write songs? Great - do you sing also?

@Kid: Hah! I'm not that easily scared

Just you wait for my green pills

Nice to see you - how are you doing?

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 7:38 pm

well, if you really want to read some, I'll pm you a couple. as long as you agree to tell me what you think and be brutally honest with me. I could use the feedback.

It won't work Kid, she'll slip a little green pill in your drink.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 7:43 pm

Originally posted by Dottie:
<STRONG>Well... Gustav Fröding for example.
Not all of his poems are bombastic but i dont feel that any of the ones i have read (not so many, but..) have spoken to me in any way, they dont talk about emotions i have felt or situations i have lived, and then it feels like he write just to show he can handle the language in a good way, not to express something...

Or Poe, he writes incrediply beutifull poems about death and such, but they all feel very distant and non-real.</STRONG>

Taste in poetry is of course a deeply personal thing, but have you tried TS Eliot or Baudelaire's Fleur de mal? (Ondskans blommor in Swedish). Baudelaire writes about death and decay in a humanistic sort of way, it's realism and not very techical stuff. Eliot was a very learned man, a literary scholar and his works are full of references to classical work, Shakespeare, Milton etc, but that can be ignored if you wish. He writes IMO in a very emotionally expressive way about topics like alienation, human emptiness, etc - typical 20th century themes.

For Swedish poets, what about Per Lagerquist?

cheesemage · Post by **cheesemage** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 7:43 pm

Got Glass?

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 7:45 pm

BS: if you REALY want me to be brutaly honest i can promise that, but dont say so if its only a saying...

CE: il check it out.

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 7:48 pm

Dottie, I truly would like to hear your opinion. I never ask for any one's opinion if I am afraid of what they think.

I'll PM you something then.

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 7:53 pm

@BS: Good to hear, i will let you know.

Now i have to go people.. already late beacause of you

Bye.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 7:54 pm

@Dot & BS: Isn't it horrible when someone asks for your honest opinion, you give it, and then they get angry? Like "do I look fat in these trousers" "yes, you do" and then you get "sob! how can be so mean" for a reply

@Dot: I seem to recall you like Karin Boye, perhaps you'd like Edith Södergran also.

EDIT: Bye Dottie, see you.

[ 11-11-2001: Message edited by: C Elegans ]

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:06 pm

Actually CE, My own habit of being honest has gotten me into MUCH trouble over the years.

My philosophy is, if you don't wanna know, don't ask.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:19 pm

Mine too, BS

My close friends usually appreciate my honesty, but when I meet new people and they ask for my opinion, I obviously hurt some of them.

I strongly dislike implicit communication, things you are supposed to understand without the other person telling you. If somebody wants a compliment from me, they better say so instead of asking other things and being offended if I don't have the opinion they would have wished to hear.

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:25 pm

Yeah, it's kind of wild when someone asks your opinion, you give it, and they tell you that you are an opinionated *******.

i mean I don't go out of my way to butt into other people's business, but when they ask, well, I guess I am a little blunt sometimes.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:30 pm

Yep, same here - I obviously lack the delicate social tactfulness that some people demand. So I usually stick to people who aren't so @#$%* over sensitive

Personally, I value honesty a lot. And I certainly want my friends, colleagues and family to be honest with me, it would be horrible if they went around and thought a lot of negative things of me without letting me know and thereby having a possibility to chose whether I should change or not.

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:36 pm

A friend of mine once said that I was rude crude and socially unacceptable, but that was a good thing!

Seriously, that is the cause of a lot of my problems with women around here. I can't stand to be around anyone with no opinion on ANYTHING, and it seems most of the ladies around here are raised to have whatever oinion *their man* has.

They will agree with anything just to avoid an arguement, and that kills me.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:47 pm

You kidding? What have the women in your area been doing the last 40 years or so?

I've never been to Kentucky, but I've heard from other people that traditional values and life style are common. Is this so, do you think?

Well, it's of course easy for me to say, living in the (according to social studies) most gender equal country in the world...

ThorinOakensfield · Post by **ThorinOakensfield** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:50 pm

Hi, nice conversation going on here.
Geez louis, you people are talking, and the only people left. And the bartender wants to get rid of you guys so she can go home early.

What am i saying?

Oh well, go on with your chit chat.

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 8:56 pm

Actually, I think it depends on what part of Kentucky you are in. On the whole, people here are more laid back than where I come from. I was born and raised in Maryland, so I went through a period of adjustment when I moved here. I live in Harlan now, a little town in southeast KY, and it's kinda hard to explain. There seems to be a hanging onto the old stand by your man mentality here.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think there is anything wrong with being supportive of the person yu are in a relationship with, but that doesn't mean you agree with everything that they do.

I think it has something to do with the religious attitude here. a lot of the churches here still teache the *woman's place* crap.

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 9:04 pm

Hello Thorin, I think the bartender has already left.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 9:08 pm

You are probably right that it has to do with religious values, all the world religions put some emphasis on the woman as inferior to the man.

Of course I also think people should support each other in relationships, both friendship and love, but that's not the same as one person being submissive to the other. IMO nobody should be dominating in a relationship, on the contrary I strongly believe in equality in couple relationships as well as society.

Must go to sleep - I just noticed what time it is here

5 am

Lucky I don't need much sleep.

Good night, see you later

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 9:14 pm

Goodnight CE, catch you later