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If Only .... kinda like shooting pumpkins or watermelon
Lady Dragonfly wrote:lol, I suppose the unlimited regeneration of the swamp... wildlife (I hesitate to call it fauna) along with other local recreational activities (what was that dryad's name?) can be irresistable for the true sportsmen. Too bad witchers don't use guns (shotguns could be fun against those exploding bloedzuigers :D ).

We can probably keep wading through the swamp clockwise hunting our undead game until we reach level XXX or die horribly... from boredom, whatever comes first.

Anybody tried?
I ended the game as a level 41 after killing Jacque and drinking the Kotchkey's Core potion. I think I would have 3 Silver and at least 2 gold talents.

Haunting the swamp with a shotgun sounds like it would be fun especially against the bloeds and undead. My only caveat is unlimited shotgun shells and the higher you get the better the shotgun up to a 10 guage shell in an autoloader with a 30 shell feeder (only 15 with a 10 guage).

I prefer Fleders, Garkain and Royal Wyverns using an over/under elephant gun. My next level in the swamp would only be about 30-40,000 kills away at 1 exp per kill. The Army wouldn't loan me anything bigger than the elephant gun I could buy at specialty gun dealers.

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witcher

The wither does the best he can no matter how you play the game .
And I personaly could do without Alvin.
The one thing that surprises me is no one has any interest in the stories main charecter.
Oh Witcher You could bread horses on our farm and I could garden and knit blankets.
That man fell for the same reality that all men face in the end no matter what he did .
Empty handed and left on his own just like life!
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No question Alvin is the GM. knew that from the dialog between Geralt and him in chapter 5. Every line the GM throws at Geralt is a twisted version of what Geralt teaches Alvin as ethics.

ALMOST everything in this game revolves around fate and destiny. But consider, while at heart a linear game there was one element story wise that was a free agent in the equation. That free agent was Geralt.

He could just as easily sided with the GM at the end, he had the choice but did not. That his choice was predictable was irrelevant, out of all the players in this game he was the only one in the position to influence the outcome. In my game it was inevitable he would travel the neutral path, but the choice to otherwise was there.

Sometimes destiny is not some predetermined path so much as it is knowing what pieces to put where on the board. Then you get into self fulfilling prophesy which is really no prophesy at all. So maybe destiny is being confused with being entrapped into a situation where your own character takes you down a path someone else laid out for you. Is that destiny or manipulation? The Wild Hunt used Geralt, the real question here is why?
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On fate and destiny.
jklinders wrote:Sometimes destiny is not some predetermined path so much as it is knowing what pieces to put where on the board. Then you get into self fulfilling prophesy which is really no prophesy at all. So maybe destiny is being confused with being entrapped into a situation where your own character takes you down a path someone else laid out for you. Is that destiny or manipulation? The Wild Hunt used Geralt, the real question here is why?
Sometimes destiny or fate is just bumbling along the path that you choose. You do choose your path so give some thought as to where you are going and where you want to be. The only destiny or fate in our lives is death and in that we have no choice as we all die someday.

Geralt was not living out some predetermined life as some of the choices he made were part of the script and we made the rest for him. Did you save Abigail from the mob? Geralt didn't make that choice you chose for him.

There is neither destiny nor fate in fiction and even less so in life. We either react or don't thus we make a choice.



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[quote="Kel"]Sometimes destiny or fate is just bumbling along the path that you choose. You do choose your path so give some thought as to where you are going and where you want to be. The only destiny or fate in our lives is death and in that we have no choice as we all die someday.

Geralt was not living out some predetermined life as some of the choices he made were part of the script and we made the rest for him. Did you save Abigail from the mob? Geralt didn't make that choice you chose for him.

There is neither destiny nor fate in fiction and even less so in life. We either react or don't thus we make a choice.


I probably did not phrase my comment clearly enough because what you said and I intended to say were pretty close. Perhaps a different way to say it is if you know that I will eat chocolate when someone says the word Easter then you could easily make me eat chocolate.

Same with the story in this game. It is predictable that Geralt would chase the looters of Kaer Moren with a vengence. throw in a personal twist here and there and he is putty in your hands..This applies to everyone. Everyone has buttons that can be pushed to make them behave in a way that for a time at least can be predicted. At heart that is all "prophesy" is. ;)
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I played this game over several months so my memory of past dialogue is a bit hazy ... one thing that confused me a little is who is Triss talking about at the start of Chapter 3? Was she aware that Alvin and the Grandmaster were one and the same, or at least know that Alvin was behind the Salamandra?

Personally, as far as destiny is concerned, I think that Geralt was brought back by the Wild Hunt in order to bring Alvin to him ... in other words he was manipulated or used by the Wild Hunt for this purpose ... whether this is destiny or whether its just because death seems to follow Geralt I'm not sure yet :)
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Mr Sir, it has been a while for me too, but I do not believe Triss would have known anything about Alvin at the time. I may be wrong but I believe she just knew there was a source and she needed to track him. That was the reason for those things(magic detectors?) you drop all around the city.

At that point in the story there was nearly no reason for anyone to think they were the same person. Things were getting a lot clearer by chapter 5 which was when it clicked for me.

As a side note, I am getting a little weary of the long dungeon crawl grind fests that RPG's seem to indulge in ,in the final chapters. May be the reason I have not yet completed my third playthrough.
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Then who was Triss talking to the head sorceress about (through the mirror) in the cutscene at the start of Chapter 3? She was not allowed to tell Geralt what she was discussing in the conversation and I've never figured out how that cutscene fits into the storyline ... she made a deal with the sorceresses but she was not allowed to tell Geralt and all I can think is that she knew that Alvin would end up how he did and that she was trying to give him a stable home with her and Geralt in the hope that they could change what came to pass and the deal was that she was not allowed to let Geralt know who Alvin really was.
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alvin

Forget about Alvin !
What about triss telling the witch a big line of st about settleing down and all the other lies she told him just for her own personal gain that had nothing whatso ever to do with the witcher.
I guess it is true life imitates the same way everytime :cool:
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Just speculating but the scoceresses were looking to increase their influence with Foltest, the neutral path gives them just about free reign in Vizima, Geralt was to be their tool.
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very good points

I agree that the witcher got burnt in the end.
WE COULD BUILD A HOUSE I COULD KNIT SCARFS AND WE WILL LIVE HAPPILY EVERAFTER.
Whom is her arm around the last time u see triss? :rolleyes:
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whitetail wrote:I agree that the witcher got burnt in the end.
WE COULD BUILD A HOUSE I COULD KNIT SCARFS AND WE WILL LIVE HAPPILY EVERAFTER.
Whom is her arm around the last time u see triss? :rolleyes:
Well I have not read the books, but the sorceresses I believe are basically a group of women who believe men are not to be trusted with magic.To pursue their agenda, they need the blessing of the rulers.

No matter how you play the game Geralt is being used. Of all the characters in the game only two helped him without wanting something back. Dandelion and to a lesser extent Vincent(if you do not kill him).

I actually liked Vincent, he never made any bones about his distrust of Geralt, and except for that incident in the warehouse always shot straight with him. Honest cops in medieval times would be rarer than hens teeth so it is hard for me not to like him. :D
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1.Abigail,
does any one kill her ?
she looks like innocent.but where she is, where happens brother kill brother(CH1) sister kill sister (CH4).
we know the Beast is raise by human evil.When Ceralt slay all people in CH1.
there shouldn't has more barghests appear on the road when Ceralt and Shani
way to Vizima. we still encounter.

2.Siegfried of Denesle:
damn it, i almost blind to see his real character.
i think he should be a lawful , nice knight. But..
a.he ask me to slay all rebel in the swampforest,(he claim his leg hurt)
b.he ask me to trace rebel in the bank robbery(he claim he hurt again)
c.a blue eye vampie 's brother said a story about siegfried , who was a coward
in a battle, hide into an animal's body..
d.when Seigfried promoted, he didn't care the life of hostage, he just want to
kill all rebel.(un human race)
I think Siegfried use Geralt as a tool to promote himself.

3.Triss:
I personal think she use Geralt as a sex tool.
I think she is a witcher in the begining then i found she is actually a sorceress.
Why does she live in witcher's castle? She lie a story to Ceralt (retired,
have a house, cooking, foster a child). and she organize with more sorceress. and finially she become a higtpriest of king. and our pool Ceralt just collect a bag of gold (my god, it is a special RPG for me, Geralt is not a fighterKing or powerfulMage ,instead of a bountyhunter alike - the witcher), Geralt only interest in monsters and gold. (single, pure think, that is no wonder everyone like to use him, and i have to admin the develop team well design Ceralt's face just like what he is (fool tool..) ha ha )

4.Alvin the boy.
i can't figure it out. let me play again....

5.the ending assassin.
I didn't figure out why has this cinema?
Is it just show up CD projekt's nice 3D design skill? or just arrange for witcher2?
who is that assassin? or just mean Ceralt are still great at discover danger. and the all other knight just like stone and stand up there.

6.two weapon fighting style....
well i think you should notice there are many people has two weapon fighing ...
our pool Ceralt has single weapon ...
two weapon fighting is a popular feat for many RPG. If we can develop that , it will be more funny.
there is also some nasty magic that can slaughter everything in traditional RPG.
if the witcher has this function, i would like to cast it to wipe out all the enemy.

7.gamble and luck.
luck, luck, still luck, can't cheat in the gambling...

8.King of the wild hunt.
this is obviously wild hunt king use Ceralt as a tool to cause more war, more death, to fillup his death spirit army.

9.Professor?
I was shock when i hear his name in the begining. i thought he was a scholar or something alike.
why he always said ' i guess a witcher could catch a bolt when he fly'?
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I played again and i have another perspective this time.
the whole story(include the original book) tell us
about the principles of the witcher is neutrality.
Witchers who swear an oath to protect people, kill monsters,xxoo.....

When the book storyline become a PC game,we have more chance to
experience what is the real principle of the witcher.

I join the order when the first time play.
and i found that i belive someone who hide a dagger behind a smile.
Geralt is just a tool of human..

I join the Scoi'tael in second play.
i think freedom is worth to fight. but no matter how much work we do,when
the King back to Wazima, the rebel have to dismiss...

It is difficult to keep neutrality. as you know Geralt become an enemy for
both two sides in this circumstance.

When i play 'the price of neutrality', the topical subject is still the same.
'Do you loyal to an original witcher' or 'Do you still keep your humanity'

the assassin at the ending also show as some witcher did not maintain neutrality.
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