A long expected party

der Moench · Post by **der Moench** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 10:44 am

Whoo-hooo! I'm all stoked up and ready for the movie!

Sad that it will leave us with a cliff-hanger, and two more years until we can finally see the end!

Peace.

FudD · Post by **FudD** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 11:47 am

@Georgi......and how are you liking the read so far??

humanflyz · Post by **humanflyz** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 1:08 pm

I agree with loner there. Why would Peter Jackson have Arwen rescue Frodo I have no idea. I think that scene should be unchanged from the book. Besides, Tolkien barely describes Arwen or the love between her and Aragorn. The whole love thing is like a parallel to Beren and Luthien.

humanflyz · Post by **humanflyz** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 1:15 pm

Originally posted by Georgi
LotR. Ok, so HP has a dedicated fan base... but nowhere near as much as LotR. The hype is immense.

That's true, but you have to think about the children. Every children that saw HP must be accompanied by at least one adult, if not more. I don't think LOTR is going to appeal to children that much. The audience is narrower in comparison but still broad enough. So what do we have, teenagers, adults, elders, and anyone else who read the book, maybe some children, not nowhere near as much as HP. So from this point of view, I think HP will probably make more money.

Who knows, if LOTR makes so much money, we'll probably have another Star Wars-like franchise.

ThorinOakensfield · Post by **ThorinOakensfield** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 2:51 pm

And we can kick Titanic out of the top spot.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 3:32 pm

Originally posted by humanflyz:
I don't think LOTR is going to appeal to children that much. The audience is narrower in comparison but still broad enough. So what do we have, teenagers, adults, elders, and anyone else who read the book, maybe some children, not nowhere near as much as HP. So from this point of view, I think HP will probably make more money.

I think it may be more a case of parents dragging their children along to see it rather than the other way around, but I reckon it will still get quite a large chunk of the family audience. However, you're also forgetting something - adult tickets cost more

Who knows, if LOTR makes so much money, we'll probably have another Star Wars-like franchise.

In what way, exactly?

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 4:07 pm

Hey, maybe this isnt the place for it, but does anybody want to share their favorite part of the books?

I guess that would mean I should do this:

SPOILER! Georgi, close your eyes, and get back to the book!

My favorite scene is Eowyn facing the Lord of the Nazgul. Makes me cry every time I read it ... and I have read the books more than sixteen times, now!

Anyone else?

scully1 · Post by **scully1** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 6:15 pm

Originally posted by humanflyz:
I don't think LOTR is going to appeal to children that much.

But there are already numerous "Rings" toys on the market, not to mention the dreaded Burger King tie-in

Even though the films are rated PG-13, they're seriously tapping the child demographic at the same time.

The way things go now, the merchandise is most of the advertising. Get the kids hyped on the toys and they'll clamor to see the film...

fable · Post by **fable** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 6:26 pm

The way things go now, the merchandise is most of the advertising. Get the kids hyped on the toys and they'll clamor to see the film...

There's a switch: usually, the toys come out after the film/tv/book. So you think this is a trend, perhaps? Fore-shadowing this epic made by the Sarumans of Hollywood, as opposed to tapping in, later?

scully1 · Post by **scully1** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 6:38 pm

Originally posted by fable:
There's a switch: usually, the toys come out after the film/tv/book. So you think this is a trend, perhaps? Fore-shadowing this epic made by the Sarumans of Hollywood, as opposed to tapping in, later?

IIRC "Toy Story" also released its merchandise and tie-ins before the film's release, as did "Harry Potter", Jim Carrey's version of "The Grinch", and "Star Wars: The Phantom Menace." And I'm sure "Attack of the Clones" will do the same thing...

Speaking of which..."Star Wars" was the film that launched the Hollywood merchandising trend. IIRC, with the first "Star Wars" movie, the merchandise was put out after the release. Once they realized they had a gold mine on their hands they started putting the stuff out beforehand. This moneymaking idea caught on and now I'm convinced that these days, many films are made solely for the purpose of selling merchandise...I believe this is why so many merchandise-friendly films are released around the holidays.

There is definitely a trend, and I think it's been going on for a while.

scully1 · Post by **scully1** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 6:39 pm

Originally posted by Lazarus:
Hey, maybe this isnt the place for it, but does anybody want to share their favorite part of the books?

Mmm, a difficult task, that...

I'm thinking...

EMINEM · Post by **EMINEM** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 6:57 pm

Originally posted by Lazarus:
Hey, maybe this isnt the place for it, but does anybody want to share their favorite part of the books?

I guess that would mean I should do this:

SPOILER! Georgi, close your eyes, and get back to the book!

My favorite scene is Eowyn facing the Lord of the Nazgul. Makes me cry every time I read it ... and I have read the books more than sixteen times, now!

Anyone else?

What a coincidence! That's my favorite part, too! Man, I've read that chapter so many times I can almost quote it verbatim. And the voice of Angmar makes my skin crawl whenever I remember his chilling lines, "Come not between the Nazgul and his prey, or he will not slay thee in thy turn!" And Eowyn's defiant reponse sends shivers down my spine "Begone if thou be not deathless, for I will smite thee if you touch him!"

Actually, there's one line that for some reason echoes in my mind more clearly than Eowyn's trash-talking with the Nazgul, and that one line is:

"Rohan had come at last."

humanflyz · Post by **humanflyz** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 7:22 pm

I heard a lot of people say that LOTR trilogy is going to be bigger than Star Wars trilogy.

My favorite part of the book is when Frodo offers the One Ring to Galadriel.

"And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! IN place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. ANd I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. ALl shall love me and despair!"

"She lifted up her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illuminated her alone and left all else dark. She stood before Frodo seeming now tall beyond measurement, and beautiful beyond enduring, terrible and worshipful. Then she let her hand fall, and the light faded, and suddenly she laughed again, and lo! she was shrunken: a slender elf-woman, clad in simple white, whose gentle voice as soft and sad."

"I pass the test, she said, I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel."

Somehow that part always make me sad. It reflect's the Elves' wish that the Earth might be rid of Evil and that everything healed. On the other hand, it reflects the sorrow that resides in every Elf, the weariness of the world, and their desire to go back to Valinor. I always feel sad at that thought.

CM · Post by CM » Sun Dec 09, 2001 10:49 pm

I personally love the long fight scene at the very end.
Army vs Army, heoric deaths, sacrifice and honor, ultimate epic fight.
I do hope they do a good job on that in the film.
I want a freaking 2 hour fight scene if need be.
But it must be good.
I am going to go read it now!

Sailor Saturn · Post by **Sailor Saturn** » Sun Dec 09, 2001 11:02 pm

Originally posted by humanflyz:
My favorite part of the book is when Frodo offers the One Ring to Galadriel.

"And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! IN place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. ANd I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. ALl shall love me and despair!"

"She lifted up her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illuminated her alone and left all else dark. She stood before Frodo seeming now tall beyond measurement, and beautiful beyond enduring, terrible and worshipful. Then she let her hand fall, and the light faded, and suddenly she laughed again, and lo! she was shrunken: a slender elf-woman, clad in simple white, whose gentle voice as soft and sad."

"I pass the test, she said, I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel."

Somehow that part always make me sad. It reflect's the Elves' wish that the Earth might be rid of Evil and that everything healed. On the other hand, it reflects the sorrow that resides in every Elf, the weariness of the world, and their desire to go back to Valinor. I always feel sad at that thought.

That is a good part. I also like the part where Eowyn and Aragorn converse before Aragorn traverses the Paths of the Dead. I like all the parts a lot, so I can't really specify a favorite part of the books.

Omar · Post by **Omar** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 7:43 am

I have read the Trilogy once and found it very enjoyable. I don't remember it in detail but the part of the story that I liked the most was when the Fellowship was traveling through Moria!

DOOM!

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:04 am

Originally posted by EMINEM:

What a coincidence! That's my favorite part, too! Man, I've read that chapter so many times I can almost quote it verbatim. And the voice of Angmar makes my skin crawl whenever I remember his chilling lines, "Come not between the Nazgul and his prey, or he will not slay thee in thy turn!" And Eowyn's defiant reponse sends shivers down my spine "Begone if thou be not deathless, for I will smite thee if you touch him!"

Actually, there's one line that for some reason echoes in my mind more clearly than Eowyn's trash-talking with the Nazgul, and that one line is:

"Rohan had come at last."

YEAH! Another part of that chapter that I love is when Eomer thinks that Theoden and Eowyn are dead, and turns back heedlessly into battle. I can't quote verbatim (and don't have my book handy), but it is beautiful.

I like the Galadriel scene as well. It has been previewed in the trailers, and it looks like the movie does it justice.

EMINEM · Post by **EMINEM** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:58 pm

9 days and counting! Oh man, this is agony!

ThorinOakensfield · Post by **ThorinOakensfield** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 4:18 pm

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I like alot of the scenes. One i remember is in Mordor, when the armies of evil come rushing down on Rohan and Gondor, and Pippin sees the eagles, then suddenly the armies disappear(you know why).
Talk about anti climatic. I was looking for a big massive war, but it ended quickly. Although this way he made Frodo appear more heroic(by stopping the whole army on his own)

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 5:01 pm

Originally posted by loner72:
I think that at first, they were just trying to give Arwen a more active role, since admittedly, strong female characters in LotR are nonexistent, with the exception of Galadriel; and even she just has a kind of cameo...(For better female characters read The Silmarillion.)

Eowyn have already been mentioned so i wont rant about her, but a strong femal character that always seems to be forgotten is Lobelia. And this is sad since i think she is one of the more complex characters in LoTR.

I mean, Arwen is a dull bimbo in comparison