The Grey Griffin Lounge and Coffee House

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:26 pm

Goodevening T', How are you doing?

Medieval Italian politics really isn't my topic.

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:26 pm

@Lainy: The Borgia family likely inspired parts of Machiavelli's The Prince.

"since love and fear can hardly exist together, if we must choose between them, it is far safer to be feared than loved"

Case in point: Most people replace *safer* in this quote with *better*...changing the meaning subtly, but decidedly more sinister.

Edit: @Lainy again: No one has been so rudely debunked yet continues to sell his books. What does *that* say about people?

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T'lainya · Post by **T'lainya** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:30 pm

Hi Flagg

Waverly, very true. I was interested in Lucretia since she's been fairly demonized through the centuries, yet according to reports, after she was married off and sent away she was exceedingly well loved by her people. I doubt the Borgias were much worse than most other ruling families at the time.But as they say the winner writes their own history and they often do
@ Doc again..people also actually watch survivor

and Springer

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Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:30 pm

@All: Going out for some fresh air...be back in few

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:32 pm

Originally posted by Waverly:
@All: Going out for some fresh air...be back in few

I guess that just leaves you and me, T'.

and of course occasionaly Minerva. How's dinner Minerva?

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T'lainya · Post by **T'lainya** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:32 pm

See ya Doc

So Flagg what shall we talk about without spamming up the topic?

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Minerva · Post by **Minerva** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:36 pm

@T'lainya: Hello.

Lucrezia Borgia... I think she was not the evil vamp people described her. She was more or less like a piece of chess, used by her brother, as many royalty were at the time. Though she did have an illegitimate son by a footman (or such) when she was young.

She was lucky with her last husband, Alfonso d'Este, since the deaths of her father and brother, there was a pressure on Alfonso to divorce her, as she was no use without anyone left to give her power.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:37 pm

Let's see choose a category:
history
politics
D&D
moral issues
philosophy

You can also pick a topic.

Minerva · Post by **Minerva** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:39 pm

@Flagg: My dinner was fine... I think. I more or less swallowed the lot.

Very bad for my stomach.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:40 pm

Originally posted by Minerva:
@Flagg: My dinner was fine... I think. I more or less swallowed the lot. Very bad for my stomach.

Hey, you have to take good care of yourself. It wouldn't be good if you started feeling unwell. We can't have that.

T'lainya · Post by **T'lainya** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:43 pm

@ Minerva that was my general impression also. I however am not a historian so I wanted your opinion.

@ Flagg...Hmm D & D, most of my knowledge is based on the 1st ed. rules

History ? possibly depending on what age
Politics..possibly
Other subjects..I'm drawing a blank, and lacking typing skills too

(I'm also being distracted by a basketball game)

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Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:47 pm

Originally posted by T'lainya:
@ Minerva that was my general impression also. I however am not a historian so I wanted your opinion.
@ Flagg...Hmm D & D, most of my knowledge is based on the 1st ed. rules
History ? possibly depending on what age
Politics..possibly
Other subjects..I'm drawing a blank, and lacking typing skills too (I'm also being distracted by a basketball game)

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That is okay. I have to make a phone call, but I will be back in a couple of minutes. In the meantime. I have written an editorial recently that will be posted early coming week about the ability of achieving level 40 in Throne of Bhaal. What is your opinion on this? Is this something that you like or not? Why or why not?

T'lainya · Post by **T'lainya** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:57 pm

@ Flagg, I wonder how much of that is overkill. I know in IWD (not HOW) I was not even close to the xp cap after completing every quest. BG2 has much more to do and more ways to get xp but I'm not sure lvl 40 is attainable without cheating. Also..what are you going to be fighting? Gods? The entire Drow race? It seems a little pointless to me.. Although I don't mind finally being able to memorize 9th level spells since every roadside wizard could cast time stop..

repeatedly. I suppose without cheating you wouldn't get to that level anyway except maybe by soloing. I liked to use the CLUA console to check out what certain classes would be like at high levels but I never played through with one of them.
Hmm I've got a visitor, I'll be back in 1 little while..I'm interested in other peoples opinions on this one

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Darkpoet · Post by **Darkpoet** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:38 pm

Hello........

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:42 pm

@T', I have to say that I agree with you on a couple of things. It really isn't hard to reach the Exp. cap in BG2. I easily managed this with my main character before I left the underdark. I agree that level 40 is overkill, as in my opinion it puts the entire world in a different perspective. Your main character would suddenly be capable of easily killing Elmininster. This is something that doesn't feel completely right. I really feel that you are going to like our piece that Applebrown and I have written. I hope that we can put it online late tomorrow evening or early Tuesday morning. It depends a bit on when Buck will be back, as it will be the start of a complete new feature on GameBanshee. After the article, you will find, hopefully, enough people to discuss this with.

Let's see, do I have another interesting topic to discuss? Hmmm. I'll think on it for a bit. Anyone else have a good suggestion?

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:43 pm

Hey DP, are we alone??

Darkpoet · Post by **Darkpoet** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:44 pm

So Flagg, what were you cooking? I saw the news there was a big grease fire in Holland.

Easy big fella.

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Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:45 pm

@DP, well I do like to flame as often as I can.

Darkpoet · Post by **Darkpoet** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:47 pm

Did Buck say if he was hanging with the collage or high school kids in Daytona????

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:49 pm

Nope he didn't say a word. The only word that he frequently mentioned was "alcohol".

Why???