Sarevok?

sigurd · Post by **sigurd** » Sat Mar 31, 2001 10:16 am

The difference is bug though

Tiefling is just a name, works as half-elf
A new kit is a bigger thing though. why couldnttheymakeit available for PC too since they made it? seems like a lot of extra work

But he will surely have special abilities

The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Sat Mar 31, 2001 10:20 am

You may have noticed that, in the last Githyanki ambush, there is an anti-paladin and a wild mage among them. So they have already implemented those classes/kits.

Jon-e-boy · Post by **Jon-e-boy** » Sat Mar 31, 2001 10:34 am

not necesarily, they can create anything they want and name it an antipaladin, they could make an umberhulk named a mind-flayer, this would not mean that is an actual mindflayer
buy for anyone who has tried editing kits, and fooled around with the kit files, you will see that they have already implemented the wild mage, its on all the lists but for some reason you cannot play it, the antipaladin however has not been put in,

personally im not partial to the idea of sarevok as new npc, but every post here has opened my eyes alil bit to the endless possibilites he opens up, so he might be good,
now about his class anti-paldin does seem like a vry good idea, but very unlikely since they have spoken about one new kit and one new kit only, the wild mage. Sarevok probably will end up as a fighter with some "evil" innate abilities,
and lastly since the story according to the reviews an interviews is about the children of bhaal gathering and kicking the crap out oif each other so one can take the throne, sarevok is also a bhaal child and i dont think hes gonna wann help you take bhaals throne, so it looks to me like we have the making of another traitorous npc, ill have him joining yoshi in hell if he so much as draws his sword before i tell him to

oh yeah and one more thing, what race is sarevok?

The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Sat Mar 31, 2001 10:43 am

Alright then, one last argument. IIRC, in BG2, there's a sword that says "usable only by anti-paladins".
Hmm...

Yeah, somehow that idea of treachery crosses my mind as well...

@Jon-e-boy: Sarevok is human.

sigurd · Post by **sigurd** » Sat Mar 31, 2001 1:04 pm

Biggest reason he wont be antipaladin with a kit of his own is that there would be no reason they wouldnt put it in as a character kit. However, he will sureky have lots of special abilities, making him like some kinda antipaladin.

What is that sword, where can it be found, and can it not be used?

Jora · Post by **Jora** » Sat Mar 31, 2001 2:30 pm

There will not be Sarevok in ToB. It's an April Fool's gag...

sigurd · Post by **sigurd** » Sat Mar 31, 2001 2:44 pm

Early one then?

Well, lets hope not, Sarevok sounds great.

Manveru · Post by **Manveru** » Sat Mar 31, 2001 6:25 pm

Ok.. I accepted (but hardly - dead should remain dead) that he is new NPC in ToB.

Hovewer there some questions arise : WHY he would want to join the protagonist's party to fight with his KILLER ?

WHAT he would propose PC that would be worth giving him the part of PC's soul?

I think it could mean three following cases :
1) He is just a traitor that will reveal his real intentions at the end of the game (to kill PC in last moment to become the Bhaal anyway).
2) He is just a traitor convinced by these mysterious monks at the end of BG2 SoA to eliminate PC at the end of BG2 ToB.
3) His alignment has been absolutely changed and now he is good. He don't want to be doomed to rot in the Hell forever and proposes PC to help him in permanent elimination of the essence of death in their souls (represented by Imoen in the PC's dreams)

What do you think about that, especially about third possibility ?
I noticed that nobody considered this case.

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Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:04 pm

Sarevok as a Wizard-Slayer makes perfect sense. He killed Gorion after all, and the kit is not exactly a common one. That would give some extra incentive to include him in the party. It would be cool if his Sword of Chaos (found in Irenicus’ dungeon) got substantially increased when he wields it. And what if he could turn into the Slayer? This sounds like a terrific idea, I just hope they’re not jerking our chains in some early April’s Fools prank like Jora suggests.

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Manveru · Post by **Manveru** » Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:21 pm

Just one more additional remark :

The new NPC's appearance is much different from Sarevok's. It could be the point for my third opinion that he passed through great internal transformation (New NPC was in robe ? it is not in style of evil fighters - maybe Sarevok monk

? That could be something new)

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fable · Post by **fable** » Sat Mar 31, 2001 9:05 pm

Yes, I can see it now: Saverok-Yoda.

"Remember the Force, Son of Bhaal!" There is the sound of a snap, and a 10-foot tall Minotaur fell to the ground. "And don't forget to pack a good two-by-four," he continued.

sigurd · Post by **sigurd** » Sun Apr 01, 2001 1:14 am

Different from Sarevoks appearance? who knows how he looks likeunder that armour? If i remember correctly he had white hair, like Minsc, who is bald, which the NPC is. And that might just be a new picture for the wild mage, not Sarevoks picture.

Why would he be good? i can see only evil parties having him, and im sure they come up with something that can be good for both PC and Sarevok.

Manveru · Post by **Manveru** » Sun Apr 01, 2001 2:42 am

I think that the good Sarevok is possible - every player of this game assumes that he is evil - and what if guys from Bioware make him good instead ?

We killed evil Sarevik twice in this sage (in BG1 and his wraith in BG2 hell). What if we killed his evil side as well. (I know that it sounds like Star Wars blasphemy). As said one of these monks at the end of BG2 we couldn't be so sure - there were only few people that expected Sarevok as NPC - the majority was thinking about Gorion, Elminster, Drizzd, Saemon Havarian, even Irenicus (I checked the topics and didn't find any mention about him in earlier posts - before 30.03 so I could assume that almost everyone is surprised).

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sigurd · Post by **sigurd** » Sun Apr 01, 2001 2:55 am

hm. Making him good WOULD ruin everything though, there are plenty of good fighters, the whole point with Sarevok is his evil ways, why would he change since BG1? Even if he did, he killed plenty of people to get what he wanted, he couldnt be forgiven.

The_Pope · Post by **The_Pope** » Sun Apr 01, 2001 4:55 am

You don't think the new portrait looks like Sarevok? I think he does! In BG1, he wore an armour, so his face wasn't really clear. But you should remember the yellow eyes. That's about the only thing by which you could recognize him if he wasn't wearing his armour. Now, this new portrait has the exact same eyes.
Makes sense to me.

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Rail · Post by **Rail** » Sun Apr 01, 2001 5:57 am

I agree with Pope. *gulp* This will make for awesome dialogue among the NPCs. Sarevok would have a lot to gain from this, if you could promise him life again. He always valued himself over anything else and would jump at the chance to get out of Hell and get another shot at lift. Besides, maybe the whole death experience has changed him a little. Just a little, mind you. And it would be cool having him as an anti-paladin wielding the Unholy Reaver, though I doubt that will be the case.

While I wish the new NPC was a thief of sorts, Sarevok adds an interesting twist to the story. Bravo for BIS. I still hate the lvl 40 cap, though!

Lucian · Post by **Lucian** » Sun Apr 01, 2001 6:05 am

its bioware that is making tob, not bis..thank god..how was a ripoff.

but what is wrong with the level 40 cap?

Cloud · Post by **Cloud** » Sun Apr 01, 2001 6:15 am

i reckon that they will bring him back as neutral. if you use part of your soul to bring him back then it will probably restore balance to him or something like that.

on a different note, according to what i have read, when a creature is brought back in wraith form their soul is returned to the dead body but is under the control of someone. who was it that brought sarevok back and why???????

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sigurd · Post by **sigurd** » Sun Apr 01, 2001 6:22 am

Sarevok behaves in chaotic evil ways in BG1, why change that? He is the very picture of all that is evil.

I think Sarevok is returned by the PC, from hell. All children of Bhaal comes to hell, remember? And seems they cant die either, look at Irenicus, was defeated but still lived. (he was no child of Bhaal, but he is special as you know)

To return im sure he needs to have a soul, seems they become soulless in hell.

Manveru · Post by **Manveru** » Sun Apr 01, 2001 6:43 am

Originally posted by Cloud:
i reckon that they will bring him back as neutral. if you use part of your soul to bring him back then it will probably restore balance to him or something like that.

Maybe that would be more real situation - neutral NPC like Yoshimo - later Sarevok could change his alignment once again (like Anomen in his quests).

So he could again become evil and betray PC for example or he may have the chance for remittal and then become good.