New law in Greece
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@Demis, it sounds like this law is more of a thing to be embarassed over, rather than worried about. I suspect it will be thrown out by your courts at once. Hard to believe that any legislature could turn out something so blatantly ludicrous. Usually, politicians try to keep from making asses quite that obviously of themselves.
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I'm pretty embassased too, i still can't believe that they voted for such a law.
Anyway i'll try to keep the members here informed of what it is to happen with this.
Anyway i'll try to keep the members here informed of what it is to happen with this.
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I agree, but this is huge and i can't wait to see it fixedOriginally posted by Weasel
All governments makes mistakes...there will never be a perfect government, but as long as the people of the government has a voice in the running of the government, it can correct its self.
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Oh, thats just nice! Forbid games....
Who in the world came up with the idea?! And now it gets carried out in practice! What would i do without computer games. I have been playing games since i was, what six.(not that im that old
) Without games like BG2 and other rpgs i wouldn't be nearly as good at English as i am. (and im danish) Games like Soldier of Fortune and Quake might be violent, but that doesn't make me go out and shoot my classmates. (only on the web) You have to be a bit sick before playing the games, if you go out and draw a gun at your friends.
Who in the world came up with the idea?! And now it gets carried out in practice! What would i do without computer games. I have been playing games since i was, what six.(not that im that old
something funny goes here
The problem with this law, is that it wasn't made to prevent violence in connection with violent computer games, but the fact that it was to hinder gambling via the computer.Originally posted by Bloodmist
Oh, thats just nice! Forbid games....
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You have to be a bit sick before playing the games, if you go out and draw a gun at your friends.
It is overkill like shooting greek legislators with 12 inc. haubitzers (no - computer games didn't make me violent
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That's harsh, alright.
Actually, the parallel is oddly apt, seeing as the beginnings of the criminalisation of marijuana was done in no small part as an extension of the Prohibition against alcohol.Originally posted by Xandax
Hmm - comparing laws against computer games to stop gambling (or something) with laws against drugs hardly seems plausible.
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.... and opium and morphine was once legal to use - and outlawed - still it is not plausible to compare the outlawing of drugs with the banning of gaming (computer games et all) in greece.Originally posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
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Actually, the parallel is oddly apt, seeing as the beginnings of the criminalisation of marijuana was done in no small part as an extension of the Prohibition against alcohol.
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Remember, gaming has been banned by legislators who were actually seeking a way to control gambling. The connection between playing a computer game (often a solitary occupation, and almost never one that involves betting) and gambling (a social activity) is extremely tenuous. The connection between alcohol and drug use is very plain, since acohol *is* a drug. And alcohol/drug abuse was an endemic problem at the time--still is, in some cultures, such as Russia. There's no perception by the Greek government of a zealous need to stamp out gambling or gaming; it's just a desire to keep gambling under government control, given its primary importance as a source of ready, taxable income.
Of course, there are always the right wing religious fanatics out there who want to outlaw gambling and computer gaming, but I don't think we need to worry about their influence in this regard.
Of course, there are always the right wing religious fanatics out there who want to outlaw gambling and computer gaming, but I don't think we need to worry about their influence in this regard.
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Not, I have to agree, with the outlawing of all drugs, however as Beldin points out the parallels between marijuana in particular being outlawed to stop alcohol (and later heroin) use and video games being outlawed to stop online gambling are quite fitting.Originally posted by Xandax
.... and opium and morphine was once legal to use - and outlawed - still it is not plausible to compare the outlawing of drugs with the banning of gaming (computer games et all) in greece.
I fail to see how banning internet-incapable consoles such as Game Boys et al helps stop online gambling at all, mind you.
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Good news indeed
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Best part(IMO):
Best part(IMO):
The court, in its ruling, said the law was unconstitutional.
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Indeed. That is quite an understatement.
Glad to see everything worked well over there, and it was done quickly too.
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Well it's not over yet, i don't know how these things work but i assume that the law will be altered, if not canceled, after this. Let's just hope that not the same person/s will do the chances.
Well it's not over yet, i don't know how these things work but i assume that the law will be altered, if not canceled, after this. Let's just hope that not the same person/s will do the chances.
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As long as people have common sense and listen to the population, this thing will be over and dealt with I think. But this is the gov't that we're talking about, so who knows how long it will take.Originally posted by Demis
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Well it's not over yet, i don't know how these things work but i assume that the law will be altered, if not canceled, after this. Let's just hope that not the same person/s will do the chances.![]()
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Re: Good news
It seems Ubik has used his influence upon you.No other plausible xplanation exists.
Originally posted by Weasel
Court allows Greek gamers to play on
It seems Ubik has used his influence upon you.No other plausible xplanation exists.
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After tedious reading of all the posts here,I really marvel at the way information is spread and digested,without being properly researched and CROSS-CHECKED.Not to mention that some of the things discussed have almost insulted me,being a Greek and a proud one as well.
Very quickly then:
1no such law has passed
2.the job of any goverment is to protect the citizens.
3.The law as it is being drafted,deals with illegal methods of robbing players or using methods that are not allowed by gambling laws anywhere.
4.the furor caused has nothing to do with election periods!!!!!!!but because various ministers and parliament members were in the thick of flinching money off the innocent,and I for one would try to stop barefaced larceny.
I wonder if anybody will have the guts to apologize.
Very quickly then:
1no such law has passed
2.the job of any goverment is to protect the citizens.
3.The law as it is being drafted,deals with illegal methods of robbing players or using methods that are not allowed by gambling laws anywhere.
4.the furor caused has nothing to do with election periods!!!!!!!but because various ministers and parliament members were in the thick of flinching money off the innocent,and I for one would try to stop barefaced larceny.
I wonder if anybody will have the guts to apologize.
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