I have made such a mess !!!

MitchMc · Post by **MitchMc** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:07 am

Originally posted by dragon wench

For me that was the toughest battle of the entire game. Though the twisted rune is challenging too But worth it... you get a very nice staff out of the deal... [/b]

The twisted rune*, can be easly accomplished by a low level party as soon as you get the mage strong hold and do the slavers quest,

its all a matter of tactics and swag

Cheers MitchMc

*wiemers improved version for sure, I havent played the vanilla version that I can remember.......

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Fri May 30, 2003 1:01 pm

Originally posted by MitchMc
The twisted rune*, can be easly accomplished by a low level party as soon as you get the mage strong hold and do the slavers quest,

its all a matter of tactics and swag

Cheers MitchMc

*wiemers improved version for sure, I havent played the vanilla version that I can remember.......

I agree... However, for first-time players who might not have considered the tactics and strategy often inherent to BG2 battles this might not be immediately apparent...

Scayde · Post by **Scayde** » Fri May 30, 2003 1:20 pm

Originally posted by dragon wench
lol! Congrats!
For me that was the toughest battle of the entire game. Though the twisted rune is challenging too But worth it... you get a very nice staff out of the deal...

LOL......Thanks Sis..*HUG*....Yea, it was quite a rush......now I am curious about this 'Twisted Rune' taht you are talking about...sounds like the next challange......but I guess I really should do something related to the plot first

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Fri May 30, 2003 2:00 pm

Originally posted by Scayde
LOL......Thanks Sis..*HUG*....Yea, it was quite a rush......now I am curious about this 'Twisted Rune' taht you are talking about...sounds like the next challange......but I guess I really should do something related to the plot first

lol! *hug* well that is your call, but getting some of those items first might be worth it as well

You can also get a very nice item if you go into the pub in the City Gates area.. have your thief on "detect traps" mode.. and the wall will reveal a secret door..

Scayde · Post by **Scayde** » Fri May 30, 2003 2:03 pm

Originally posted by dragon wench
lol! *hug* well that is your call, but getting some of those items first might be worth it as well
You can also get a very nice item if you go into the pub in the City Gates area.. have your thief on "detect traps" mode.. and the wall will reveal a secret door..

Oh I already did that...It was quite by accident, but well worth it.....and great practice for the kangaxx quest..

Aubrey · Post by **Aubrey** » Fri May 30, 2003 3:00 pm

Originally posted by dragon wench
I agree... However, for first-time players who might not have considered the tactics and strategy often inherent to BG2 battles this might not be immediately apparent...

I can tell you: it wasn't for me!

(first-time player to D&D rpg)

Scayde · Post by **Scayde** » Fri May 30, 2003 6:23 pm

Originally posted by VonDondu
To undo an Imprisonment spell, you need to cast the spell called Freedom. I know a place where you can buy a scroll of Freedom in Chapter Five, but if you can't find one before then, you won't be able to get Korgan back until Chapter Six. I hope you can find one before then.

This is something I hear about but have yet to pick up on and understand......what exactly do you mean by "Chapters"......is that where they play the little intro with a narrator telling you what is going on?

They played one when we escaped Irenicus's dungeon.

One when Irenicus escaped the Cowelled Wizards

And another one recently....but I don't remember what it was

BTW, I am looking for a 'Freedom' spell, but they do not have one at the adventurer's mart. I have also looked at several other merchants in the area, adn the fence in the sewers in the Temple district, but have not found one yet. If you want to give me that spoiler, I certainly wouldnt complain

Scayde · Post by **Scayde** » Fri May 30, 2003 6:28 pm

Originally posted by dragon wench
lol! *hug* well that is your call, but getting some of those items first might be worth it as well
You can also get a very nice item if you go into the pub in the City Gates area.. have your thief on "detect traps" mode.. and the wall will reveal a secret door..

LOL...well, you have made your case....."Twisted Rune" it is

.........I just have to find a few things first.

@MitchMc...What Mge stronghold are you talking about.......I already have Nalia's place asa stronhold.......can we have more than one

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Fri May 30, 2003 6:33 pm

You get different strongholds based on the class you chose to play as. Some are pretty cool, but a couple just plain suck

Who'd wanna be a paladin anyway though

Twisted Rune ate me for luch the first time I tried it

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri May 30, 2003 6:41 pm

Originally posted by Scayde
This is something I hear about but have yet to pick up on and understand......what exactly do you mean by "Chapters"......is that where they play the little intro with a narrator telling you what is going on?

Yes. It's a feature that first began with Betrayal at Krondor.

Scayde · Post by **Scayde** » Fri May 30, 2003 6:49 pm

Originally posted by fable
Yes. It's a feature that first began with Betrayal at Krondor.

Thanks fable....is there any way I can find out which chapter I am on, given that I have not been paying close attention to these 'shorts'

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Fri May 30, 2003 7:06 pm

To see which Chapter you're in, look in your Journal (click on the third button from the top on the lefthand side of your screen).

Without giving you any major spoilers, the Chapters are as follows:

Chapter One takes place in Irenicus's dungeon and Waukeen's Promenade. The theme of the chapter is that you need to escape from your captor and get your bearings. As soon as you enter the Slums District and talk to Gaelan Bayle, Chapter Two begins. The theme of the chapter is that you need to raise a bunch of gold and pay someone to take you to Spellhold. As soon as you make a deal with Aran Linvail or Bodhi, Chapter Three begins. The theme of Chapter Three is that you need to get involved in the guild war. When your tasks are complete, you leave for Spellhold, and Chapter Four begins. Chapter Five takes you somewhere besides Spellhold and Athkatla, and Chapter Six begins when you head back to Athkatla. Chapter Seven is the final chapter. In Chapters Four and Five, you can't go to areas that were accessible in Chapters Two and Three until you reach Chapter Six, so pack a lunch.

As for the scroll of Freedom, I meant that I can only think of one place where you can get one. (Actually, there are about four available from the same merchant.) I wish I could help you, but I just can't think of another place to buy one (or find one). Have you checked the merchants in Trademeet?

JackOfClubs · Post by **JackOfClubs** » Fri May 30, 2003 7:16 pm

I would try the checking at the various temples. I don't believe there are any merchants that sell Freedom scrolls other than the ones in Chap 5 & 6 that VonDondu already mentioned. It is a 9th level spell, so it stands to reason that the scrolls wouldn't be readilly available. But I'm not absolutely certain...

SPOILER about the Twisted Rune (highlight to read):
If you do decide to go after the Twisted Rune, you will need a rogue stone to get through the door. I would advise getting the one from the Guarded Compound in the Temple district, since it is seems to be specifically designed for this quest. Also, that will give you another major battle to fight first, which will better prepare you for the TW.

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Fri May 30, 2003 7:30 pm

Ahhh, they're not that bad, Bloodstalker.

Originally posted by Bloodstalker
You get different strongholds based on the class you chose to play as. Some are pretty cool, but a couple just plain suck Who'd wanna be a paladin anyway though

Twisted Rune ate me for luch the first time I tried it

Well, the Pally I took from BG1 and made into a Cavalier seems to kick quite a bit of but, having 19 for Str, Con, and Cha, 17 to Dex and Wis, and 10 Int. Never before have I seen Mind Flayers wish they had day jobs(with some challenge), ever! Really made my day when I saw that. Funny, that class just seems to work the best for me in the entire series and in IWD2 as well. I hope this kinda helps you feel a little better about pallies, okay?

Still, what class have you had the best luck with? Do you prefer warriors, or do have better games with any other classes?

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Fri May 30, 2003 7:41 pm

Originally posted by Aubrey
@ VonDondu:

Have you played Weimer's Improved Liches and Kangaxx? (Someone else has worked on this, I believe, but the file is on Weimer's mods web page.)

Unfortunately, I haven't tried them. It has actually been quite a while since I've played Shadows of Amn and Throne of Bhaal, and either the MODs weren't available back then, or I wasn't sure how "balanced" they were. Sometimes, fans who create MODs get a little carried away. I once tried Improved Illyich and Improved Demogorgon, and I just couldn't handle it.

I'm not the best player in the world, but I could probably use a little more challenge the next time I play, and there are actually several MODs I would like to try. If I can figure out which MODs can be installed with other MODs without creating complications, I'll give them a try sometime.

Sorcerer's Net lists several MODs I'd like to install: Ascension, Ease-of-Use, Redemption, Item Upgrade, Tactics, Imoen Romance, Tashia Romance, Oversight, Big Picture Compatibility, Dungeon-Be-Gone, and perhaps Tortured Souls if it's compatible. I've already played Ascension, and I don't think I'll ever play Throne of Bhaal without it.

jcompton · Post by **jcompton** » Fri May 30, 2003 7:54 pm

The journal tells you what chapter you're in.

Scayde · Post by **Scayde** » Fri May 30, 2003 11:26 pm

Originally posted by Bloodstalker
You get different strongholds based on the class you chose to play as. Some are pretty cool, but a couple just plain suck Who'd wanna be a paladin anyway though

Twisted Rune ate me for luch the first time I tried it

I am playing a 'Wizard Slayer' this go around. I hae already gottne Nalia's digs for a keep....is that my stronghold?...I don't know.

It is pretty cool though...I like castles with dungeons

@Von...Thanks....there is a lot here that I am stumbling my way through

Aubrey · Post by **Aubrey** » Sat May 31, 2003 2:32 am

Mods

Originally posted by VonDondu
Unfortunately, I haven't tried them. It has actually been quite a while since I've played Shadows of Amn and Throne of Bhaal, and either the MODs weren't available back then, or I wasn't sure how "balanced" they were. Sometimes, fans who create MODs get a little carried away. I once tried Improved Illyich and Improved Demogorgon, and I just couldn't handle it. I'm not the best player in the world, but I could probably use a little more challenge the next time I play, and there are actually several MODs I would like to try. If I can figure out which MODs can be installed with other MODs without creating complications, I'll give them a try sometime.

Sorcerer's Net lists several MODs I'd like to install: Ascension, Ease-of-Use, Redemption, Item Upgrade, Tactics, Imoen Romance, Tashia Romance, Oversight, Big Picture Compatibility, Dungeon-Be-Gone, and perhaps Tortured Souls if it's compatible. I've already played Ascension, and I don't think I'll ever play Throne of Bhaal without it.

It has been a while since I last played the game myself, too. And probably I am worse player than you are, trust me!

I haven't tried Improved Illyich, but I can tell you that all the Improved Something are a real pain!! Bodhi is real powerful, even in Normal difficulty; Irenicus (in the Final Batlle) is extremely difficult and it took me a lot of reloads and thinking as to how I was supposed to beat him. As for Ascension, I have won it just once. Sendai is very annoying, and having my party being killed time after time is not fun at all...

Aubrey · Post by **Aubrey** » Sat May 31, 2003 2:35 am

Originally posted by Scayde
I am playing a 'Wizard Slayer' this go around. I hae already gottne Nalia's digs for a keep....is that my stronghold?...I don't know.

Have you installed Multiple Strongholds pack? A mage's stronghold is usually the Planar Sphere (in the Slums).

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Sat May 31, 2003 10:16 am

Originally posted by Aubrey
Have you installed Multiple Strongholds pack? A mage's stronghold is usually the Planar Sphere (in the Slums).

A Wizard Slayer is one of the fighter subclasses, I think